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What Are Evangelicals Thinking About Sarah Palin?

Posted by truthtalklive on September 19, 2008

And what do you think? Guest host Alex McFarland,  www.alexmcfarland.com , President of Southern Evangelical Seminary www.ses.edu takes your calls and invites your comments here. Alex is hosting the National Conference on Christian Apologetics coming to Charlotte, N.C. November 7-8, 2008. Details online at www.nationalapologeticsconference.com

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145 Responses to “What Are Evangelicals Thinking About Sarah Palin?”

  1. Maz said

    More political rhetoric. When are we going to get something new and fresh?

  2. cwillz said

    Young evangelicals relate to her as a person, but are still worried about the narrow republican agenda.

    For a faithful follower of Christ in their college age years the two things that challenge thier faith most are their parent’s politics and sunday morning.

  3. Jennifer said

    I really like Sarah Palin, but if something happens to McCain she’d become the President. I don’t want a Soccer Mom President. She needs to learn to run her own household before she tries to run the White House

  4. Jennifer said

    Why is it that in many churches, they seem to have a problem with women teaching men, yet many christians are supporting Sarah Palin to serve the people.

    A woman can’t get any higher than that. Is the church double minded? Is the Church paying attention to what’s really going on here? She’s sweet, but it’s going to take more than stopping abortion to run the white house.

  5. jean said

    We can never tell or know whom God will use to lead this country man or woman. A perfect example would be when David (the sheppard boy) was chosen to be anointed king. Even the prophet Samuel did not understand why the Lord chose David. there are many examples in the bible that clearly show how the God used women in leadership. We all have our own judgments and standards who we think would be best as president or vice president. In this critical time we need to pray and ask the Lord for wisdom in the coming elections.

  6. wes said

    In this critical time we need to pray and ask the Lord for wisdom in the coming elections.

    Very good advice.

  7. ADB said

    Does gender necessarily matter? There is the OT example of Deborah who was a “judge” in Israel and was a very effective national leader after all.

  8. Kash said

    I am a southern Baptist (although I obviously don’t line up with many of their most vocal political positions). In our churches, a woman can’t be a deacon or a minister. However, because of people’s single mindedness on the abortion issue, many will vote for McCain/Palin and see no inconsistency. This is just one of the many things I don’t understand about religious people.

  9. wes said

    There other reasons some will not vote for Obama. Personally I do not like the bill he is planning to introduce that (if my information is right) will give the UN power to levee taxes on US citizens.

  10. Kash said

    He already introduced the bill back in February. It passed the house in 2007.
    From Wikipedia: “The Global Poverty Act (occasionally called the Global Poverty Tax or World Poverty Bill), is a bill currently in the U.S. Congress. The bill is co-sponsored by 84 representatives and 30 senators. It does not allocate any funding.

    The Global Poverty Act would require the U.S. President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the United Nations Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.”

    If it passes, it means we increase the amount of money we donate to the Millenium Goals program. It gives other nations the right to sue us if we do not meet our promised amount (big deal, nations try to sue each other all the time and it usually doesn’t go anywhere). It does not give the UN the right to levy a tax on American citizens. The increased amount would be 0.7 percent of the GDP, less than what we are spending on the Iraq war.

  11. wes said

    SO; in other words, unless the president agrees to “donate” money at certain amount, the UN gets no money from us; Right?

    First: who determines what amount the thrid world nations will be getting from the US?

    Secondly: Where is this money going to come from if not from the pockets of US Citizens?

    Why should we allow other countries to sue us because they can not support themselves?

  12. Kash said

    Good grief, Wes, have you read anything about the way the UN works? And while you are at it, read what Jesus instructs us regarding the poor and less fortunate.

  13. wes said

    GOOD GRIEF. Let’s see the UN uses our troops as it’s own police force to try and coerce the world to follow their rule. Whoops a police state.

    They have a Global Court now and if they issue a subpoena for no matter what the laws of your nation are if they have to they have you kidnapped at gun point to bring you to trial and if possible to execute you. The end of Habeas Corpus for real.

    They are working to force preachers to stop preaching against sin, calling a hate crime; and preach only love and tolerance. Uh oh, no more freedom of speech.

    By the way what kind of suit does the Secretary General of the UN wear? Is he not from a poor country?

    Tell me what you perceive as the meaning of this verse:
    1Ti 5:16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.

    What is a widow indeed?

    And where in the King James Bible does it say that I am to take from my family money that is sorely needed and send it a country that may not even believe in Christ as the savior? Chapter and verse please?

    When JESUS told the rich young ruler to give his money to the poor was he talking of the poor in Rome, or the poor in Ethiopia? No Kash! he was talking of the poor in Israel. Look at these other verses before you falsely proclaim the goodness of the UN.

    Exd 23:10 ¶ And six years thou shalt sow thy land, and shalt gather in the fruits thereof:
    Exd 23:11 But the seventh [year] thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat:

    In other words those people of the Jews may have a place to go out and pick the fruit for themselves.

    Lev 19:10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather [every] grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I [am] the LORD your God.

    In other words the poor were to come and gather what grapes were left.

    And Lev. 25v47-49.
    And if a sojourner or stranger wax rich by thee, and thy brother [that dwelleth] by him wax poor, and sell himself unto the stranger [or] sojourner by thee, or to the stock of the stranger’s family:
    After that he is sold he may be redeemed again; one of his brethren may redeem him:
    Either his uncle, or his uncle’s son, may redeem him, or [any] that is nigh of kin unto him of his family may redeem him; or if he be able, he may redeem himself.

    Family Kash. The bible is clear on who we are to help; And who it is that is supposed to help them.

    Yes, JESUS taught us to care for those who had no family and could not care for themselves. But no where did he teach for us to send our money to another country unless it was to help brothers and sisters in the LORD. And for this he made this stipulation.

    1Ti 5:4 But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.

    1Ti 5:5 Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.

    1Ti 5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.

    1Ti 5:7 And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.

    Oh and let us not forget:
    1Ti 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

    I.E. our own country first Kash. Not Canada, Mexico, China or any other nation until our house full.

  14. Kash said

    I profoundly disagree. The Bible tells me that Jesus wants me to put everyone before me. That I should care about all of humanity, not just my own country. God first. Country only as long as God’s will is being done. You and I will never agree about that. I love my country and think it is the best in the world, but that doesn’t give me the right to exploit the rest of the world to keep my country and my family rich at the expense of everyone else. When I think my country is behaving in a way that is contrary to the gospel, I will speak out in love. For the most part, the US is a giving and caring country. But that doesn’t mean we haven’t done some evil things that need to be brought out into light and repented for.

    I am saddened by your “us against them” view of the world. To me, that seems counter to the message of Jesus.

  15. Kash said

    P.S. Since you think we should only send money to help people who are already Christians, how exactly do you interpret the Great Commission? Or Matthew 25:31-46?

  16. wes said

    Kash as long as you view the UN as a tool for GOD; then You are most definitely right, we will never agree.

    The UN is now and has always been a tool of communism. Yes, I know that the American people first heard of it through our own president, but even then it was a tool to bring our world under one government. I do not believe it to be any better than what Hitler had planned for the world if he had won WW2.

    If you truly care about humanity as a whole the best thing you can do is help to lead them to Christ. Show them the need of repentance, baptism in the name of JESUS, and then the infilling of the Holy Ghost. This is putting GOD first. I did not say that we should abandon the rest of the world as you seem to think. If I am not mistaken I said “until our house was full.”
    Tell me Kash do you have kids?
    If you do, which of your children are you willing to let go hungry until I am fed?
    Or which of them are you willing to see without a home until I have one?

    We as Americans can do so much more for the rest of the world, if we take care of our own needs first. But if you continue to think that I am going against scripture feel free to post chapter and verse (from the King James Bible) and I will answer your confusion.

  17. wes said

    Mt 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    Mt 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
    Mt 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    Mt 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    Mt 25:35 For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    Mt 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    Mt 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    Mt 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    Mt 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    Mt 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

    Kash this is an easy one. Prey tell me who are the sheep on the Kings right hand; and who are His brethren?

    Have you not read:
    Mr 3:31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
    Mr 3:32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
    Mr 3:33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
    Mr 3:34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
    Mr 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

    And as for the sheep:
    Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

    And these were Jews that JESUS was talking to.

    Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

    His sheep are those that believe in Him.

    Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
    Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
    Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

    Oh and before you go to this verse:
    Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
    It does not matter what country they are from as long as they believe in Him.
    Acts 8v30 An Ethiopian eunuch reading the scriptures. Here we see ths birth of one of GOD’s lambs.

  18. Kash said

    The problem, Wes, is that all of those versus that you quote to support your world view that it is Christians vs everyone else, I read and interpret as saying we need to help everyone and then hopefully convert them to Christianity.

    I have never said that the UN is a tool for God. Only individuals can be tools for God, any organization/government is compromised by its very power. There is a reason Jesus did not form a government when He was here.

    GOd is in control, therefore I do not fear the governments of man.

    As I have said before, bringing people to Christ is how I approach many issues, including stopping abortion, rather than trying to force it on people through laws.

    I am not going to throw a bunch of versus at you, Wes, because individual versus can be interpreted many ways (as you and I prove). I read the Bible as a whole, and I see a progression of humanity’s interaction with God. Reading the Old Testament is like watching a young child who needs and authoritarian parent. The New Testament is when that child (believers) begin to mature. God speaks in parables rather than commands, because now the child is beginning to think for himself/herself and take on more responsibility in bringing about the Kingdom. You and I obviously disagree on how believers should bring about that kingdom. But you are still my brother in Christ.

    I have to go get ready for Sunday School, and my 3 month old baby just filled her diaper. The dialectic between theological discussions on the internet and the mundane but wonderful world outside the computer is great, don’t you think?

  19. wes said

    The problem, Wes, is that all of those versus that you quote to support your world view that it is Christians vs everyone else, I read and interpret as saying we need to help everyone and then hopefully convert them to Christianity.

    “your world view”

    My world view; If I had told you worldly things you would have understood.

    Christians VS (?) everyone-else? Where in any of my post did I say this? And there in lies your confusion. I never said that I did not want to help others as you seem to think. I believe that the Bible teaches us to put GOD first in all things. Even if would like to extend a helping hand to someone we must first consider that mayhaps they are in this position because GOD put them there to draw them to their knees. Have you not considered that these Nations have forgotten GOD, and I hope that you know what the bible says about someone that has forgotten GOD. But since you are so concerned about doing the Christian thing, You must have found this verse a bit hard hearted.
    Mt 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
    Now remember the word Christian means Christ like. Humph, imagine JESUS putting himself above the needs of the poor.

    Mt 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own SOUL? or what shall a man give in exchange for his SOUL?

    Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a SOUL from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

    3jo 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy SOUL prospereth.

    In every thing that I have posted I have consistently maintained that the Soul come first, while it appears that you are so worried over the flesh.

  20. wes said

    I have never said that the UN is a tool for God. Only individuals can be tools for God, any organization/government is compromised by its very power. There is a reason Jesus did not form a government when He was here.

    Then please quit trying to praise them for nothing they have done was not done with out the might of the US military and its allies to coerce the rest of the world. The UN sent our troops into Bosnia and for what; an oil pipeline. You can believe that garbage about ethnic cleansing if you want. But you can not deny that the people of that country were willing to defend their president right up until the UN Ordered him to be kidnapped to stand trial. When this was done the UN got its pipeline.

    You are wrong about JESUS not forming a government what do call the twelve apostles except a ruling body? And what do you think He meant when He told Bro. Peter:
    Mt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the KEYS of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
    In other words make the rules and pass the laws for the church.

  21. wes said

    As I have said before, bringing people to Christ is how I approach many issues, including stopping abortion, rather than trying to force it on people through laws.

    So you do not think there should be laws against the murder of unborn children. And before you yell: WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN OF IRAQ? I would remind you to look up the biblical definition of murder. There is a difference between war and the killing of someone because they are an inconvenience; some thing which the UN has become very proficient at.

  22. wes said

    I am not going to throw a bunch of versus at you, Wes, because individual versus can be interpreted many ways (as you and I prove). I read the Bible as a whole, and I see a progression of humanity’s interaction with God. Reading the Old Testament is like watching a young child who needs and authoritarian parent. The New Testament is when that child (believers) begin to mature. God speaks in parables rather than commands, because now the child is beginning to think for himself/herself and take on more responsibility in bringing about the Kingdom. You and I obviously disagree on how believers should bring about that kingdom. But you are still my brother in Christ.

    Really; it does not surprise me that apparently you can not give scripture that prove your points. And I must ask you to show me where I have interpreted any scriptures. I have posted scriptures and it was you that interpreted them. I just accepted them for what they said. And speaking of the Old Testament and the New Testament, Tell me do you think that JESUS would contradict anything GOD said?
    GOD speaks in parables rather than commands; then please explain this verse
    Ro 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, Ro 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
    And this one
    1co 7:10 And unto the married I COMMAND, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
    And this one
    1co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the COMMANDments of the Lord
    Kash: GOD still makes commandments, Some people just don’t like it.

    Now obviously you have found a verse that we (the believers) are the one in control of when the kingdom will come. Please show me chapter and verse.
    If you have not been baptized in the name of JESUS Christ, then I maybe a cousin but not a brother.

  23. wes said

    I have to go get ready for Sunday School, and my 3 month old baby just filled her diaper. The dialectic between theological discussions on the internet and the mundane but wonderful world outside the computer is great, don’t you think?

    With out the world there would have been no need for salvation. Have a nice day.

  24. Kash said

    Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain and showed him all the kindgoms of the world and their glory. And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me. Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written: “You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only shall you serve.'” Matthew 4:8-10

    You have heard that it was said, “You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you: Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you….for if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.” Matthew 5:43-48

    And great multitudes went with HIm. And He turned and said to them, “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also , he cannot be My disciple.” Luke 14:25-26

    And yes, I am a baptized believer in Christ. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. So like it or not, I am your sister in Christ.

  25. wes said

    Alright; sister, like I said I will give an answer:

    To this:
    Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain and showed him all the kindgoms of the world and their glory. And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me. Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written: “You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only shall you serve.’” Matthew 4:8-10

    I will give this:
    Mt 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own SOUL? or what shall a man give in exchange for his SOUL?

    All you did was to prove my point. For unless we have Christ nothing else matters.

    And to this:

    You have heard that it was said, “You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you: Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you….for if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.” Matthew 5:43-48

    I give:
    Mr 7:25 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
    Mr 7:26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
    Mr 7:27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.

    And as JESUS himself has said “Let the children first be feilled….”
    Who are the children that JESUS is refering to int his scripture? And besides that it seems that you have continually tried to twist the words that I have posted. Please can you refresh my memory and show me where I said anything other than America first? Do we not have enough hunger and homelesness in our own house that we must needs to go looking into other nations? Lastly Kash prove to me that it is actually the Homeless and the hungry that is reciving the aid sent to that nation and not a government hoarding these goods and monies to be used for drugs and weapons?

    And to this:
    And great multitudes went with HIm. And He turned and said to them, “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also , he cannot be My disciple.” Luke 14:25-26

    I give:

    Mt 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
    Mt 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
    Mt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

    You see Kash; in everything we do present Christ first, the rest will follow.

    “And yes, I am a baptized believer in Christ. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. So like it or not, I am your sister in Christ.”

    OK, You claim the name of JESUS and not the Father, Son and The Holy Ghost. Sister, then it is.
    Thing is; Kash, I know that since you can not stay on subject, I have just given you the opportunity to change trains in the middle of the track. Go for it.

  26. Kash said

    Wes, I can’t follow your logic any more than you can’t follow mine. I don’t know where you get that I don’t claim the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Its like the fact that I disagree with you politically makes you certain I must not really be a Christian. You are entitled to that opinion, but you are wrong. I am a bible believing, born again believer in Christ. He is the Son of God. He sent the Holy Ghost to us after his resurrection. It is the Holy Ghost in me that makes me care so much about my fellow man. You have a different opinion about the best way to vote based on your understanding of the world, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think you are really a Christian. You may judge my opinions and my understanding of the Bible any way you choose, but I think you should be careful of judging the quality of my belief in God.

  27. wes said

    Let’s see; it was this answer:
    And yes, I am a baptized believer in Christ. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. So like it or not, I am your sister in Christ

    to this statement:
    If you have not been baptized in the name of JESUS Christ, then I maybe a cousin but not a brother.
    that made think you were Baptized in the name of JESUS.

    I believe I am to treat every one as family, but to claim some one as a brother or sister, they must first bear the family name. JESUS is a name; while the Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost are not names but titles.

    “You may judge my opinions and my understanding of the Bible any way you choose, but I think you should be careful of judging the quality of my belief in God.”

    Mt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles

    While the quantity of your belief is one thing; the quality of your belief is shown by the fruits of your beliefs. Like I said I did not interpret the scriptures I presented: you did. I only accepted them for what they said. Many people will interpret scriptures because they do not fit their personal priorities. A multitude of people may have the same interpretations but it is still a private (using man’s logic) interpretation. You want scripture to tell every one you are doing the right thing. And wanting to help others is a good desire, but I can not find scripture to back up your priorities.
    The bible tells us how we as Christians can be of the most help to the world, and allowing the wilful murder and mutilation of unborn children is not one them. Allowing a man who chooses the Qua-ran over the bible to lead our nation is not one of them. And allowing someone whose very belief claims our nation as the great Satan is definitely not one of them.
    These are the fruits I have witnessed in your belief and these are the fruits that I am judging.

  28. Maz said

    Read Matthew 28 v 19. IN the name of who?

  29. Stanley said

    Are Jesus and Jesus Christ different?

  30. Maz said

    No.
    Christ means anointed.
    Jesus is the Anointed One, the Messiah, it is not His last name.

  31. Stanley said

    I thought Wes was trying to make a distinction, so I was confused.

  32. Maz said

    1 John 5 v 1 says, ”Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ (the Messiah) is born of God; and everyone that loves Him that begot loves Him also that is begotten of Him.”

  33. Maz said

    That should have been ”…loves him also that is begotten of Him.”

  34. Stanley said

    Whats that mean in English?

  35. Maz said

    ”Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ”, the promised coming Messiah spoken of by the Prophets in the OT, ”is born of God,” born again by the Holy Spirit, filled with the Spirit and becomes a new creature in Christ, ”and everyone that loves Him that begot, loves him also that is begotten of Him,” or everyone that loves God, also loves the ones that are born-again, their brothers and sisters in Christ.

  36. wes said

    You can also read Acts 2v37-39.
    1Tim. 3v16
    Acts 19
    Mr. 16v17……………>>>>>>>>>>>

  37. wes said

    As far as Mt.28v19 What is the name of the Father? Because we already know the name of the Son. And in who’s name did the Holy Ghost return?

    Question the baptism spoken of by Bro. Peter in Acts 2V38 is it of GOD or man?

  38. Maz said

    Here’s a thot (or two). Jesus was God in the flesh, so what was the Fathers name on earth?
    ”When you have seen Me you have seen the Father also”. John 14 v 9.
    In the OT the Name of God was Yahweh, also the I AM, and in the NT His Sons name was Yeshua…..God is our salvation, but Jesus also claimed the name I AM……He spoke it many times, that is why they took up stones to kill Him. ”I AM before Abraham was”.
    The Holy Spirit is also God…Yahweh….the Great I AM. And we know the Holy dwelt within Jesus.
    Gods name is not just a ‘name’, it is His very character………in fact He has many names…….revealing His character.

  39. wes said

    His name reveals “His character.”

  40. Kash said

    “Allowing a man who chooses the Qua-ran over the bible to lead our nation is not one of them.”

    I hereby give up on any attempt at conversation with you, Wes, if you believe that Obama is a secret Muslim. Your determination to delude youself is beyond rational discourse.

  41. Stanley said

    Saying Obama is a secret Muslims is about the same amount of crazy as those who say 9/11 was an inside job.

  42. Maz said

    Actually I wouldn’t put it passed the Islamic extremists to do such a thing. They managed to fly two jumbo jets into the twin towers in New York, why not plant a moslim right where it will deffinitely hurt…..the Whitehouse! Be alert and pray for Gods guidance in the matter.

  43. wes said

    Gee; did I hurt your feelings?

  44. wes said

    Oh; excuse me, that was for Post #40.

  45. Maz said

    Yes Wes, you need to put who your post is to.

  46. Stanley said

    Conspiracy theories are almost never true. You’re certifiably insane if you believe Obama is a secret Muslim. People like that are the type of scumbags that will say anything to get their nominee elected, regardless of what the facts are. It makes me sick on my stomach to think that someone can become so corrupted that they’ll lie, cheat, and steal to get their guy elected. Like saying “Obama isn’t pro-choice, he is FOR killing babies.” Its a blatant lie, and they know it, but they don’t care because they’re too racist, sexist, homophobic etc. to man up to the facts and issues. I don’t mind you taking a different stance than me, but I do mind when you lie.

  47. Stanley said

    Rawr

  48. F. L. A. said

    [Huge sharp-toothed grin]

    It is cute when men roar.

  49. Stanley said

  50. F. L. A. said

    Is that a representation of a tiny “Pac Man” mouth with a cloud of noise puffing out of it, Stanley?

  51. F. L. A. said

    How about this…

    @\ ** /@
    /vvvvvvvvvvvv\
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

  52. F. L. A. said

    Well, darn.
    That looked a lot better before I sent it in.
    You will have to imagine it lined up properly.

  53. Maz said

    F.L.A: Hahahahahahahahahahaha! You really make me laugh sometimes!! This site would really be boring without you!!

  54. F. L. A. said

    Thank you Maz, the feeling is mutual.

  55. Kash said

    Stanley,
    The rumours about Obama being secretly a muslim are just as ridiculous, mean-spirited, scurrilous, etc as the ones that starting circulating about Sarah Palin and her baby. If we cannot be adults and choose our presidental pick based on the issues rather than fear and lies, what hope is there for our country?

  56. Kash said

    I’m not intimating that you are behaving that way, I just thought it was a better comparison than the 9/11 conspiracy theory.

  57. Stanley said

    That is a good example. I don’t like conspiracy theorists on either side.

  58. wes said

    Obama He was sworn in on the Quran for his current office and he refuses to pledge allegiance to the United States or put his hand over his heart when the National Anthem is played! The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. Hello! Having a Muslim president would seem to fit the bill! Will you trust this man with our national secrets?

    Stanley or Kash: Can either of prove this wrong? If not, then my statement of B. O. choosing the Qua-ran ovethe bible is true.

  59. wes said

    ovethe, Excuse me that should be “over the.”

    Fixed

  60. Stanley said

    I’d swear in on a copy of Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.

    Wes, don’t you think that someone who was trying to destroy us from within, they’d fake it better? His honesty should be proof he isn’t a secret Muslim.

  61. John said

    Richard Nixon swore with his hand on the Bible, and we all know what an upstanding moral character HE was, right?
    Swearing on the Bible means not what it[might of]used to mean.

  62. Mike S said

    All of a sudden this blog site has turned into a bunch of quick meaningless one liner rhetoric. What happened to the deep thinkers? Are the lights on but nobody home? Stanley, thanks for you deep, meaningful and well thought out philosophical truths that you have to offer. …as my eyes roll into the back of my head… 😮

  63. Stanley said

    Like the ones Mike just wrote.

  64. Stanley said

    Stop. Wait a minute. All my beliefs are backed by some sort of fact, or at least social context. Ask me why I believe a certain thing, and I’m not going to say “some old book told me so.” You’re the one with empty rhetoric. If you’re so full of deep thoughts and quality rhetoric why don’t you back it up with some facts. You have your little “trump card” that makes you think you can’t be wrong, even if you’re proven without a shadow of a doubt that you are. Its sad really. I say “This is true, and here is why,” and you come back with “No, you’re wrong because this book disagrees, even though the writers were totally ignorant of the subject of evolution, gay rights, anthropology, etc.

    I don’t mind Christians. But you’re not Christian, because Christians should lead by example. The only example you set is one of ignorance and hate. You want to make the world a better place? Stop pretending you know what is best for people(I know, its a paradox for me to say don’t force your will upon others). Keep to yourself become the last of a dying kind. What happened to the love your Christ talked about. You don’t love your neighbor, you try and control them. Tell them what they can and can’t do when it isn’t your business. You meddle.

    I don’t care if you’re not a perfect person, just don’t claim to be better than everyone else. Don’t judge people, your silly book even tells you to do that, but then when you talk about non-believers who you know nothing about, you automatically say they’re evil. Not everyone is evil. Maybe you’re looking in the wrong places.

    Are you hopeless?

  65. Stanley said

    Grrr

  66. Maz said

    Stanley: You talk about The Book in derogatory ways and then mention Jesus to back up your feelings about Christians. Jesus wrote The Book……He is THE WORD of God in the flesh. We are only saying what the Book says because THAT is what JESUS would say.
    You may not be evil, but you are a person without Christ and without God in this world and you are in sin until you accept Him as your Savior. Everyone without Christ is. Christians were once sinners who were saved by accepting what Jesus did on the cross. We have no personal agenda, our words, our thoughts, our heart is what Christ has given us, and we have to do what He COMMANDED which is to preach the gospel to EVERY creature……and that means YOU STANLEY.
    So don’t have a go at us for doing what our God has told us to do.

    Romans 5 v 5 says, ”…the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit Who is given to us,” and v 8, ”But God commended His love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”

    God has given us this love we have for all those still lost in sin and darkness, it is this love that compels us to tell you the truth. If you do not like the Truth, and you don’t believe in God, then you won’t like us or what we say either.

    But that’s the way the cookey crumbles.

  67. Mike S said

    Stanley you just claimed, “I say “This is true, and here is why”” But I have yet to see you give any reasons why you believe your claims on this site are true. You continually make emotional attacks and do not offer any support for your claims. A good example is the dialogue on the “Should Roe v. Wade be overturned?” page. Here you offered one of your little one liners in post #40 “Human life begins when a baby is born.” And then David and I offered some thoughtful questions and reasoning to challenge this claim in the following posts. We specifically asked you to offer your reasoning for your belief yet you fell silent until your next ridiculous post #69, “If your baby was gay and atheist, would you abort it?” And oddly enough, our posts did not even include “our little trump card” that you accuse us of falling back on. Go back and read through your past posts and you will find this same trend.

    It’s interesting that you are threatened by us so much that you’re concerned about us having the kind of power over you to control you. And by the way, I don’t think (just) non-believers are evil. We all are. I’d be happy to get into some philosophical discussion about this, and I wouldn’t even use my “trump” card.

  68. Mike S said

    And my hope is an anchor in my soul that gives me a great love for life and believe it or not… others… enough to be willing to face persecution to share the Good News with them even when they think I’m an idiot for doing so.

  69. Maz said

    Mike: We are born in sin, I think we would agree with that, but once you come to Christ you are a ”new creature in Christ Jesus” 2 Cor: 5 v 17. We are no longer seen as sinners in the sight of God, we are seen as righteous. 2 Cor: 5 v 21. Now, that does not mean that we are not capable of sinning, our old nature will rise up and our flesh will try to assert itself, we are tried and tested and sometimes we fail, that is why we have an Advocate with the Father Who we can go to for forgiveness, 1 John 2 v 1. We are also partakers of His Divine nature, 1 Pet: 1 v 3-4, and are seated in heavenly places in Christ, Eph: 2 v 4-10. I do not agree with the often stated phrase ”we’re just an old sinner saved by grace”. We WERE sinners and have been saved by grace and received a new and eternal life.

  70. Mike S. said

    Hey Maz
    I don’t disagree with what you said here at all. It still remains that we are sinful beings. 1 John 1:8 That is certainly why Paul had such a struggle with the evil in his heart (Romans 7). But thanks be to God we have Jesus Christ whose righteousness is imputed to us because are sins were imputed to Him!!

  71. Mike S. said

    I meant to say I don’t disagree with the first part of your post and the basis of the new life and new heart that you described. We have a continual battle in our hearts against the temptations that are a result of that fleshly nature that wants to bubble up all to often.

  72. Maz said

    Mike: We certainly do war within, but Romans 8 has been a source of comfort to me many times, v1-4, ”There is, therefore, now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son, in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.” also v5 on. And v10 says, ”And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness….” and so on in v11-17.

  73. Mike S. said

    Max
    Yes, Romans 8 is the answer to Romans 7. It’s good to always remember that the righteousness that we posess is not ours, but a foreign righteousness given to us as a gift from Christ. If you ever get the opportunity to listen to Max Mclean narrate the famous sermon by George Whitfield, “The Method of Grace” I highly recommend it. You may be able to find a free copy on line but I know it’s available on his (McClean’s) website. I think its Listenersbible.com

  74. Mike S. said

    Sorry… Maz… I was thinking about Max Mclean when I responded!

  75. Maz said

    Mike: Thanks for that, will try and find it, and depending how long it is I will listen when I have time.

  76. Maz said

    Mike: Found it! Certainly I have no righteousness of my own whatsoever and I daily struggle with my unworthiness, yet I trust in the finished work of Calvary as the grace so freely given to me in Christ.

  77. Tripp said

    Stan, Stan, Stan…

    You sound more like a badminton fan than a football fan.

  78. Maz said

    No Tripp, it’s ping pong!

  79. Kash said

    Obama swore into his office on the Bible. Keith Ellison of Minnesota (who is a Muslim) swore in on the Koran. Obama does not refuse to say the pledge of allegiance. The picture circulating about him claiming that was a picture of him not holding his hand over his heart during the National Anthem. Many people simply stand at attention during the National Anthem. Wes, again, you have to work really hard to be that gullible.

    How is it Christian to base your vote on lies, slander, fear, etc? Go ahead and vote Republican out of your conscience based on the views, but for goodness sake don’t believe all the stupid trash going around the internet about either candidate.

  80. Stanley said

    Or basketball. Carolina basketball used to be my religion until I started playing at Wake. Now, its Deacs all the way. Actually, I used to just like football, recently I’ve become really passionate about it though. I never went to many games as a kid, but now that I’ve been to some, I’m hooked.

    I don’t actually believe a fetus becomes a person when its born. My point is that it is difficult to determine when a person actually becomes a person.

    Mike, what makes you think people are evil? I think all people are capable of evil, but that doesn’t mean they are evil. Just because a person has some “evil” tendencies, doesn’t make them automatically evil, just like because they have good tendencies doesn’t make them good either. I think people cross the line when they do something that intentionally causes harm to others, like disallowing gay civil unions.

  81. Stanley said

    Unrelated. I do like ping pong and badminton.

    Actually, I like most sports. I’m sort of hyper competitive, and sports bring that out in me.

    I do not enjoy Cricket or Baseball. They bore me.

  82. Tripp said

    Don’t like baseball? Well, then that explains it. Stanley is “un-American.”

    LOL!

  83. Maz said

    Stanley: ”..it is difficult to determine when a person actually becomes a person.”
    Do you ever really think about what you are saying? It’s like asking when is a bird a bird? Or when is a man a man? It is nonsensical.

  84. Stanley said

    Yes. Do you ever understand what I’m saying?

    Is a chicken a chicken when its is an egg? No.
    Just because a fetus has genetic material doesn’t make it a person. Are eggs and sperm people? Are they magically people when they meet? No.

    Baseball makes me sleepy. I like more up-tempo sports, especially hockey, which starts soon! Go ‘Canes!

  85. Stanley said

    Unrelated. Evolution is definitely real. Take a class on physical anthropology. Its AMAZING! Makes me want to become an scientist, which is something I never thought I’d say.

  86. wes said

    To post #60.
    So are you sayin that you cannot prove that statement false?

  87. wes said

    Stanley says:
    “Stop. Wait a minute. All my beliefs are backed by some sort of fact, or at least social context. Ask me why I believe a certain thing, and I’m not going to say “some old book told me so.”

    Stanley what is the name of this forum? IS it no “Todays Issues from a Biblcal perspective?”

  88. Maz said

    Stanley: An egg is an egg, the chicken is a chick inside it.

    Eggs and sperm on their own are not people.

    But once an egg is fertilised and begins to grow it quickly becomes recognisable as a baby long before it is born.

    And is a baby that has been aborted yet survives the procedure not a baby until it dies on a shelf somewhere. (This does happen.)

    And to be honest a lot of what you say makes no sense atall.

  89. wes said

    Stanley says:
    “No, you’re wrong because this book disagrees, even though the writers were totally ignorant of the subject of evolution, gay rights, anthropology, etc.”

    Stanley this where you prove your ignorance of the scriptures.

  90. wes said

    Stanley says:
    “Don’t judge people, your silly book even tells you to do that,”

    No the bible teaches to Judge rightly and carefully. It does not teach that we can not judge.

  91. Maz said

    Stanley: Again you reveal your double standards……who is judging who? Why are on here but to judge us all for living the Christian life and believing in what you call a ‘silly book’. You really should be careful what you are saying. ”Be not deceived, God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that shall he also reap.” Gal. 6 v 7.

  92. Maz said

    Should be….Why are YOU on here but to judge…..

  93. F. L. A. said

    Stanley, do not waste your time and energy discussing the evolutionary sciences with these people unless you just want to play around or do a study in human thought patterns.
    Go to any past site with the topic of evolution or C.Darwin in it and you will see what I mean.

  94. wes said

    Alright Kash; I will apologize to you for making an eroneous statment.
    Usually I do my own checking But this was sent from someone I trust.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp#quran

    But I am still concerned with that while he may not be a muslim, he may be over zealous in his reelationship with them.

    Title: People. Christian Century, 00095281, 9/9/2008, Vol. 125, Issue 18
    Mazen Asbahi, a Chicago lawyer recently appointed as the Muslim outreach director for Senator Barack Obama’s presidential campaign, resigned less than two weeks after taking the job. Asbahi told the campaign in an e-mail message August 4 that questions about his brief affiliation with an Islamic investment fund caused him to withdraw from his volunteer position “in order to avoid distracting from Barack Obama’s message of change.” Asbahi, who was appointed to the campaign post July 26, said he agreed to serve on the board of the Dow Jones Islamic Index Fund in 2000 but resigned within weeks when he learned of allegations against another board member, an Illinois imam.

    Or you can check it out here:
    Title: Muslim issue is ‘no-win’ for him, says Obama. Christian Century, 00095281, 8/26/2008, Vol. 125, Issue 17

    Like I said; generally I do my own checking.

  95. wes said

    In answer to post #93.

    F.L.A. I too believe in evolution but as taught from the bible.

  96. wes said

    Stanley says:
    “I think people cross the line when they do something that intentionally causes harm to others,….”

    And you do not consider the murder of uhborn child evil?

  97. F. L. A. said

    That is somewhat innovative of you Wes.
    Have you seen the site “Is it possible for Preachers to preach on Evolution?”?
    If not, then just type in the word “evolution” into the search.

  98. Maz said

    Wes: Can you tell me where evolution is taught in the Bible?

  99. wes said

    Do you remember ths film “Silent Scream” Stanley?

    Dr. Bernard Nathanson. ”We can see the child moving rather serenely in the uterus. . . . The child senses agression in its sanctuary. . . . We see the child’s mouth wide open in a silent scream….”

    Tell me Stsnley fo thimk that it is ok for any animal to suffer?

  100. wes said

    Sure Maz:
    Look at the first chapter of genesis.

    Starting with the big bang; the power of GOD’s words “Let there be light.” And just follow the edicts of evolution through the rest of the chapter.

  101. wes said

    F.L.A.
    I will check it out.

  102. Maz said

    Wes: I once believed that when God said ”Let there be light” that that was the Big Bang. But I was trying to get the Bible to agree with science rather than believe what it SAID….or what GOD said. I also believed in evolution until I realised I was doing exactly the same thing!

    I’v read Genesis many times and every time I see more clearly what it is saying. God created this Universe, the worlds and everything in them in 6 days and rested on the 7th. So what were the ‘days’ then? A thousand years? (If you quote Peter). A million years? (if you quote the evolutionists.) Or unmeasured ages?

    You will have to give a more comprehensive answer than that.

  103. wes said

    Let me ask you this:
    Where on the earth according to evolution did the first life appear?

  104. wes said

    And that brings us back to the age question. Man’s logic says that the world can be cooled in one day. So what!
    Man logic says there is no way that the earth can stand still for 24 hrs. But;
    The Latin poet Ovid amuses the school-boy greatly, in his fanciful narrative of Phaeton’s chariot. This heathen author tells us, that a day was once lost, and that the earth was in great danger from the intense heat of an unusual sun. . . . Our notice is somewhat attracted, when we find him mention Phaeton–who was a Canaanitish prince– and learn that the fable originated with the Phoenicians, the same people whom Joshua fought.
    In the ancient Chinese writings there is a legend of a long day. The Incas of Peru and the Aztecs of Mexico have a like record, and there is a Babylonian and a Persian legend of a day that was miraculously extended. Another section of China contributes an account of the day that was miraculously prolonged, in the reign of Emperor Yeo.

    Herodotus recounts that the priests of Egypt showed him their temple records, and that there he read a strange account of a day that was twice the natural length. Rimmer concludes this section with a lengthy quotation from the Polynesian account of this event.
    In 1950, Immanuel Velikovsky came out with his controversial book, Worlds in Collision, based on the premise that the account of the long day in Joshua is accurate, accounting for many other unsolved scientific mysteries. In support of his premise, he also refers to the ancient traditions of a long day:

    In the Mexican Annals of Cuauhtitlan–the history of the empire of Culhuacan and Mexico, written in Nahua-Indian in the sixteenth century–it is related that during a cosmic catastrophe that occurred in the remote past, the night did not end for a long time. . . .

    http://www.s8int.com/page35.html

    I am not trying to make religion fit science, But I do believe that science and religion can agree if GOD is first.

  105. wes said

    “Tell me Stsnley fo thimk that it is ok for any animal to suffer?”

    Sorry I must have nodded off.

    That should be:
    Tell me Stanley do you think it is OK for an animal to suffer?

  106. John said

    The evolution of life on this world is believed to have begun in the sea.
    Or was this question specifically for someone else?

  107. Kash said

    Thank you, Wes, I appreciate your fact checking. And I agree with you science and religion can agree…in fact, must agree, for either one to be valid. It also concerns me that if we separate science and religion, humanity will continue to explore avenues of technological advance that we are not wise enough to use without destroying life. An unfettered quest for scientific power is just as dangerous (perhaps moreso) than an unfettered quest for political power. Faith in God should keep us humble; to make us stop and consider that just because we can do something doesn’t mean we ought to.

    You can be a NASA scientist and still believe in Genesis (I know because I’ve met one) as long as you don’t try to take each of the 7 days as 24 hours. After all, the sun and moon weren’t created until the fourth day, so a 24 hour day definitely wouldn’t have had any meaning before that, since that is the time it takes for the earth to rotate on its axis in reference to the sun! And evidence of speciation over time also doesn’t rule out a “guiding hand” – after all, thermodynamics shows that without intervention, all processes proceed from order to disorder. So if biological systems are getting more complex over time instead of more chaotic, it definitely argues for some sort of intelligent design. I hope my children get a good education in natural selection in their science classes, because it will show them that their must be a creator. If their science teacher doesn’t also teach intelligent design and only teaches so called “Darwinian evolution”, I will have no problem harmonizing it for them as I have done and then let them decide.

    As a person with a biochemistry degree and a Christian, I find that most people either have an incomplete knowledge of natural selection or of Genesis or of both, which is where the so called contradiction comes in. Of course, anyone who clings to the idea that God created the universe in 7 earth days and that there has been no change in biological life over time will continue to be anti-science, and any scientist that clings to the faith that we can get from nothing to human civilization without any intelligent design will continue to be anti-religion. But for me, both of those extremem positions are intellectually untenable.

  108. John said

    Ooohhhh, Maz is going to fusss[grin].
    I commend you for trying to harmonize the two topics of science and theological belief Kash, but if you go back to past sites that involve any discussion of the Evolutionary Sciences, you will see that you are up for quite a challenging debate. For starters, check out the site “Was Darwin right or wrong?”. It’s a lot of reading, but if you read as fast as me you can get through it all in no time.I recommend it so that you can at least get an idea of how people here view these things. GOOD LUCK!
    And goodnight.

  109. Stanley said

    To answer your questions,

    Maybe.

  110. Stanley said

    To post #86. Can you back up your claim with evidence? The burden of proof lies with you there Wes.

  111. Maz said

    Wes and all interested: I shall not be getting involved in another evolution v. creation debate because, as John said, you can go onto the ‘Darwin’ site or the other two about evolution and creation.
    But you asked me where life began according to evolution. I think John answered that for me.

    But can life come from just water? The answer is…No. You have to have the ingredients within the water, and those ingredients would have to be ‘just right’ for life…..and THAT would have taken a miracle! Actually that is exactly how life came……a miracle, which God performed when He created everything. If God can do miracles why can’t He create everything in SIX (not seven) days? And even without the sun? Did God NEED the sun to give light? Ofcourse not. Light was there in the beginning, and He separated the light from the darkness. He can create an evening and a morning without heavenly bodies.

    When people try to demean God into man’s understanding of science it really is blasphemous.
    But I do NOT dismiss science. It all depends on your worldview which science you will believe, because there are many eminent scientists that are also 6-day creationists!
    So, if you want more info on what I believe and how I back it up (I can hear you laughing Ferox and John!) go to the sites and have a LOOOOOOOOONG read! It will be interesting and hopefully informative aswell.

  112. Maz said

    And I am surprised the moderator hasn’t come on and reminded us of the sunject in hand, ”What are evangelicals thinking about Sarah Palin?”

  113. Several threads appear to veering off-track. We’re debating what to do here. This is really more of an inidcation of what types of shows we should be running on the air. If our listeners don’t want to debate certain things, then maybe we should be on the air more debating evolution vs. creation instead of what Christians think about presidential candidates.

    Moderator

  114. Maz said

    I think we’ve had enough questions about the presidential candidates…..though I’m a foreigner here so to speak, I think enough has been said……mud and all. Yes, some fresh new questions please. I think we have thrashed the creation/evolution subject for a while, but on any question the subject is going to go astray to a certain degree and that isn’t a bad thing as people will have real questions about Christian beliefs. And the odd chit chat adds a light and humourous touch.

  115. F. L. A. said

    I am the only one laughing right now Maz.
    You’ll have to wait until after 6p.m. for John to laugh at you.

    Moderator, how about a show on FEAR?
    In regards to how people face and deal with it in all it’s many forms, be it persecution, muggers, or otherwise.

  116. Stanley said

    What is fear? Oh, I remember, that thing I used to have before I saw 300.

  117. F. L. A. said

    The “historical”[By Hollywood’s standards; they are always messing up real historical events and people.”Gladiator” and “Braveheart” were amusing, but horribly inaccurate.]movie involving the Spartans?
    How did this movie help you overcome fear?

  118. Jeff42 said

    Moderator,

    Here are a few suggestions for show topics:

    The historical reliability of the New Testament documents.

    Does the Bible teach the deity of Christ?

    Is Jesus the only way of salvation?

    And I agree with Maz in that I think the creation/evolution debate has had enough attention lately.

  119. wes said

    Now Kash prove to me that this is a lie.

    “In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that (U.N.) declaration commits nations to banning ‘small arms and light weapons’ and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention of Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women and the Convention of the Rights of the Child,” he said.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405

  120. wes said

    To the Moderator:

    It is true that this thread may seem to be veering some from it’s orignal statement. But If I am not mistaken I believe it was one of Stanley’s concerns that Ms. Palin would be a detremental influence to scientific studies and education in this area. Hence the discussion of creation vs. “evilution.” (F.L.A.)

    That said:

    Now John; I posted that question because I wanted to point out that the Bible itself says the same thing from texts that date clearly beyond the three founding fathers of evolution.

  121. wes said

    To Post #110 look at post #94 Stanley.

    And If I remember it was Kash that gave the answer not you. So Stanley are you just riding on her coat tails?

  122. Maz said

    Ferox: #115. I shall probably be tucked up in bed by then….as it will be after 11pm my time! Will have to wait until tomorrow! 😉

  123. Barney said

    “The historical reliability of the New Testament documents.” – Jeff42 (post 118)

    A topic that affords the Christian Apologists the best opportunity for obfuscation. Are you a lawyer, Jeff?

    Why not a weekly show on “Did Jesus Exist” and have guests that include some non-apologist scholars? (Can you imagine a real Biblical scholar agreeing to be on Stu’s radio shout fest? )

    Oh, and Palin is still a weak, weak, weak choice for running mate by the aging ex-pilot womanizer Cheater (it’s ok, he’s a Republican) McCain.

    Best,
    Barney

    P.S. Stu, absent any denials from your yourself, we must assume you are still planning to run for office someday. Comment?

  124. Kash said

    Wes,
    http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/45451.pdf discusses in length your concerns about the UN and gun control. Factcheck.org is a good place to read the truth (some good, some bad) about Obama’s stance on guns. I like factcheck.org because it exposes the lies on both sides of the aisle and is truly bipartisan and fair and balanced, unlike many websites that definitely have an agenda.

    I also agree that a discussion on creation vs evolution is valid in regards to Mrs. Palin (why do people put Ms, she is definitely married!) since some claim she supports teaching creationism in public school, which, according to factcheck.org is false. (See the post on “Sliming Palin”) Again, if you do not feel she is qualified for vice president, there are plenty of valid concerns so don’t repeat the stupid lies. Just like this latest thing with the visiting preacher at her church. Neither Obama nor Sarah should be judged by what their preachers say from the pulpit. I expect that none of us agree 100% of the time with our respective ministers/pastors/preachers.

  125. wes said

    Kash; this is the problem.

    “We separate these military arms from firearms such as
    hunting rifles and pistols, which are commonly owned and used by citizens in many
    countries.”

    I dont care what the UN says according to the Second amendment I have the right to purchase an automatic rifle or pistol in any caliber. And I do not intend to ion the future and/or now I will not give up that right just to help some poor unfortunates. B.O.’s poverty tax just gives too much of an open door to those UN Nuts.

  126. wes said

    The one thing that protects this nation from the tyrany of the UN is the fact that private citizens are so well armed.

  127. wes said

    And any time some one tries to tell
    me that I must be regulated in what I can own that goes against democracy.

  128. wes said

    now I must check my eyelids for leaks.

  129. Tripp said

    They will have to pry it from my cold, dead hand…..and not until I get several shots off.

    Ted Nugent for Director of Homeland Security!!!

  130. John said

    Wes, post#120…
    A am glad to here you feel that way about it[smile].
    I know of some Christians who believe that the story of Adam being made of clay, coming from the Earth so to speak, is an extremely simplified story of human evolution. Theistic evolution.

  131. John said

    Maz, forget it.
    As we get closer to Winter I will not have to work as late, so you can read me laughing at you over something some other time[smile].
    Halloween will be here soon. Perhaps they will have another show trying to associate people like me to Satanism, and we can laugh at each other over that.

  132. Maz said

    John: Forgotten.

  133. John said

    Sarah Palin has already demonstrated in her own realm that character, courage, and determination are more important than experience in Washington. The fact that she has so much opposition could be a sign that she brings something threateningly good for America to the table.

    It’s time for a woman with Christian values to be in the White House. Having raised teenagers, it is unfair to blame her for her daughter’s bad choices. She and McCain give me hope that the Republican agenda has a chance. We had a chance the last 8 years, but a segment of the Republicans wimped out and didn’t give needed support. Bush tried too hard to be a people pleaser when it came to spending money.

  134. F. L. A. said

    Welcome to the site, John#2.

  135. Maz said

    John #2? I thot that didn’t sound like John…..#1!

  136. John said

    Noooo.
    The only thing I really like about Sara Palin is her body.

  137. Maz said

    John: Mmmmmmmmm.

  138. F. L. A. said

    What, do you also favor her body Maz[Huge sharp-toothed grin]?

  139. Maz said

    F.L.A: Absolutely not. I was Mmmmmmmmmm-ing disapproval.

  140. F. L. A. said

    Disapproval why?
    Was he a little too honest again?
    I am sure that over a third of all American men feel the same way about her body.

  141. Maz said

    F.L.A: I am a Christian….what do you think?
    It was not so much the honesty.
    But I think that kind of honesty is in danger of receiving a warning from the Moderator.

  142. F. L. A. said

    Wow….I guess it is a good thing that he was so reserved about it.

  143. Maz said

    Now what was the subject again?

  144. Tripp said

    If you think we’re not dealing with some dirt check this out:

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm

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