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“Why Black Americans should have doubts”

Posted by truthtalklive on August 27, 2008

On todays show Stu interviews William Owens who is the author of our title today “Why Black Americans should have doubts”. For more information please listen to the show today or visit www.blackarc.org.

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44 Responses to ““Why Black Americans should have doubts””

  1. Niemoller said

    Everybody needs to get out of the “Left/Right” paradigm and get back to the Constitution. McCain and Obama are owned by the same people who all want to set us up with a “New World Order”…they want to kiss our Constitution goodbye as well as our sovereignty. Read the following article:

    Obama’s “change” promises a continued path towards world government
    Candidates from both parties will bring globalist programs

    Old-Thinker News | July 24, 2008

    By Daniel Taylor

    Related: Media hails Obama’s Speech As Call For “New World Order”

    Barack Obama’s July 24th speech in Berlin brought to light the Democratic Presidential candidates’ globalist views, mirroring those of the Council on Foreign Relations and other globalist think tanks. Obama’s praise of the European Union, calls for the “tearing down” of walls between nations and religions, and finally for world unity against climate change and terrorism reveal that an Obama Presidency will not bring change, but rather a continued erosion of national sovereignty and steps closer to world government.

    Interestingly, Obama’s speech was delivered beneath the “victory angel” statue in Berlin. As the Guardian reported on the 21st,

    “The centrepiece of the European leg of Obama’s visit will be his Berlin speech. Liberal and conservative politicians in Germany expressed consternation that Obama plans to address the crowds from beneath the golden angel statue which graces Berlin’s Siegessäule, a landmark which Hitler moved to its present location as part of his bid to transform Berlin into the world capital Germania.”

    Obama’s speech stated in part:

    “That is why the greatest danger of all is to allow new walls to divide us from one another. The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes; natives and immigrants; Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down.”

    “Yes, there have been differences between America and Europe. No doubt, there will be differences in the future. But the burdens of global citizenship continue to bind us together. A change of leadership in Washington will not lift this burden. In this new century, Americans and Europeans alike will be required to do more — not less. Partnership and cooperation among nations is not a choice; it is the one way, the only way, to protect our common security and advance our common humanity.”

    “The terrorists of September 11th plotted in Hamburg and trained in Kandahar and Karachi before killing thousands from all over the globe on American soil.

    As we speak, cars in Boston and factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, shrinking coastlines in the Atlantic, and bringing drought to farms from Kansas to Kenya.

    In this new world, such dangerous currents have swept along faster than our efforts to contain them. That is why we cannot afford to be divided. No one nation, no matter how large or powerful, can defeat such challenges alone. None of us can deny these threats, or escape responsibility in meeting them. Yet, in the absence of Soviet tanks and a terrible wall, it has become easy to forget this truth. And if we’re honest with each other, we know that sometimes, on both sides of the Atlantic, we have drifted apart, and forgotten our shared destiny.”

    Barack Obama’s remarks mirror those of Richard Haass, the president of the Council on Foreign Relations, who stated that the problems of climate change and terrorism would require a surrender of national sovereignty and ultimately the formation of a world government. “Some governments are prepared to give up elements of sovereignty to address the threat of global climate change,” stated Haass. “The goal should be to redefine sovereignty for the era of globalization, to find a balance between a world of fully sovereign states and an international system of either world government or anarchy.”

    Obama is not the only presidential candidate with globalist ideals. John McCain’s proposed League of Democracies and support of North American integration is one example. Hillary Clinton’s open support for world government is another.

    Obama’s promise of “change” will bring no such thing. A continuation of globalist policy towards world government and weakened national sovereignty will undoubtedly be pursued.

    You have been warned!

  2. Stanley said

    Conspiracy theories are rarely ever true. Globalization isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Maybe we should get out of the nation paradigm. We can have a state system like we do now, with a benevolent leader (me) running the world government. 😀

  3. Neimoller said

    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
    – George Orwell(English essayist, novelist, & satirist (1903 – 1950))

    For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible.
    – Mark 13:22

    Revelation 18

    1After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. 2With a mighty voice he shouted:
    “Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!
    She has become a home for demons
    and a haunt for every evil[a] spirit,
    a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.
    3For all the nations have drunk
    the maddening wine of her adulteries.
    The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
    and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”

    4Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
    “Come out of her, my people,
    so that you will not share in her sins,
    so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
    5for her sins are piled up to heaven,
    and God has remembered her crimes.
    6Give back to her as she has given;
    pay her back double for what she has done.
    Mix her a double portion from her own cup.
    7Give her as much torture and grief
    as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
    In her heart she boasts,
    ‘I sit as queen; I am not a widow,
    and I will never mourn.’
    8Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
    death, mourning and famine.
    She will be consumed by fire,
    for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.

    9″When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. 10Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:
    ” ‘Woe! Woe, O great city,
    O Babylon, city of power!
    In one hour your doom has come!’

    11″The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more— 12cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and bodies and souls of men.

    14″They will say, ‘The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your riches and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.’ 15The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn 16and cry out:
    ” ‘Woe! Woe, O great city,
    dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet,
    and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls!
    17In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!’

    “Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. 18When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, ‘Was there ever a city like this great city?’ 19They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out:
    ” ‘Woe! Woe, O great city,
    where all who had ships on the sea
    became rich through her wealth!
    In one hour she has been brought to ruin!
    20Rejoice over her, O heaven!
    Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets!
    God has judged her for the way she treated you.’ ”

    21Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:
    “With such violence
    the great city of Babylon will be thrown down,
    never to be found again.
    22The music of harpists and musicians, flute players and trumpeters,
    will never be heard in you again.
    No workman of any trade
    will ever be found in you again.
    The sound of a millstone
    will never be heard in you again.
    23The light of a lamp will never shine in you again.
    The voice of bridegroom and bride
    will never be heard in you again.
    Your merchants were the world’s great men.
    By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.
    24In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints,
    and of all who have been killed on the earth.”

  4. Stanley said

    So, what your saying is that you fully support my campaign for president of the world.

  5. Neimoller said

    Better wake up Stanley…

    Calamity in the Name of Hegemony
    Is War With Russia on the Agenda?

    Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions. He can be reached at: PaulCraigRoberts@yahoo.com

    Thinking about the massive failure of the US media to report truthfully is sobering. The United States, bristling with nuclear weapons and pursuing a policy of world hegemony, has a population that is kept in the dark–indeed brainwashed–about the most important and most dangerous events of our time.

    The power of the Israel Lobby is an important component of keeping Americans in the dark. Recently I watched a documentary that demonstrates the control that the Israel Lobby exercises over Americans’ view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The documentary is available here.

    As a result of the US media’s one-sided coverage, few Americans are aware that for decades Israel has been ethnically cleansing Palestinians from their homes and lands under protection of America’s veto in the United Nations. Instead, the dispossessed Palestinians are portrayed as mindless terrorists who attack innocent Israel.

    If one reads Israeli newspapers, such as Haaretz, or publications from Israeli organizations, such as the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions, one gets a radically different view of the situation than the propagandistic version delivered by US media and evangelical pulpits.

    Most Americans know of the 2000 attack by Muslim terrorists on the USS Cole in Aden harbor that resulted in 17 dead and 39 wounded American sailors. But few have heard of Israel’s 1967 attack on the USS Liberty that left 34 American sailors dead and 174 wounded. Pressured by the Israel Lobby, President Johnson ordered Admiral McCain, father of the Republican presidential nominee, to cover up the attack. To this day there never has been a congressional investigation.

    The failure of the American media is again evident in the coverage of the Georgian-Russian conflict. The US media presented the conflict as a Russian invasion of Georgia, whereas in actual fact the American and Israeli trained and equipped Georgian military launched a sneak attack to kill and to drive the Russian population out of South Ossetia, a separatist province.

    Russian peacekeepers, together with Georgian ones, had been stationed in South Ossetia since the early 1990s. On orders from Mikheil Saakashvili, the American puppet “president” of Georgia, the Georgian peacekeepers turned their weapons on the unsuspecting Russian peacekeepers and murdered them.

    This action by Saakashvili, elected with money from the neoconservative National Endowment for Democracy, an election-rigging tool of US hegemony, was a war crime. In truth, the Russians should have hung Saakashvili, as he is far more guilty than was Saddam Hussein. But it is Russia, not Saakashvili, that the US media has demonized.

    Americans have become perfect subjects for George Orwell’s Big Brother. They sit stupidly in front of the TV news or the New York Times or Washington Post and absorb the lies fed to them. What is wrong with Americans? Why do they put up with it? Are Americans the nation of sheep that Judge Andrew P. Napolitano says they are? Americans flaunt “freedom and democracy” and live under a Ministry of Propaganda.

    Two decades ago, President Reagan reached agreement with Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev to end the dangerous cold war. But every one of Reagan’s successors has sought to pick a new fight with Russia. In violation of the agreement, NATO has been taken to Russia’s borders, and the US is determined to put former constituent parts of Russia herself into NATO. In an effort to neutralize Russia’s nuclear deterrent and compromise her independence, the US is putting anti-ballistic missile bases on Russia’s borders.

    The gratuitously aggressive US military policy toward Russia will lead to nuclear war. I am confident that if Americans elect John McCain, or the Republicans steal another presidential election, there will be nuclear war in the second decade of the 21st century. The neocon lies, propaganda, macho flag-waving, and use of US foreign policy in the interests of a few military-security firms, oil companies, and Israel are all leading in that direction.

    The November election is perhaps the last chance to avoid nuclear war. But the opportunity might already have been missed. The Republicans have chosen as their candidate one of the most ignorant warmongers alive. The Democrats’ choice was between one of the most divisive women in America and a man of mixed race with a funny name. Considering American’s taste for war, the Democratic candidate could fail to defeat the GOP war candidate.

    Many Americans will vote against Obama because he is black. Why does mixed ancestry confer the black label? If America’s population was predominantly black, would Obama be considered white?

    Race and propaganda are more likely to determine the outcome of the November election than any awareness or consideration of real issues by voters.

    The real issues are suffocated by the media. The American middle class is being destroyed by jobs offshoring and work visas for foreigners, while the incomes of the super rich are soaring. The US dollar’s reserve currency status is eroded. The US is massively in debt at home and abroad. Health insurance is unaffordable for the vast majority of the population. Injured veterans are being nickeled and dimed, while Halliburton’s profits escalate. Americans are losing their homes, while the US government bails out banks. Wars with Iran, Russia, and China are being planned in order to secure US hegemony.

    Americans no longer have a government that is for the people and by the people. They have a government for and by special interests and an insane ideology.

    But Americans have war, which lets them take out all their frustrations, resentments, and disappointments on “Muslim terrorists” and “Russian aggressors.” Few Americans are disturbed that 1.25 million Iraqis and an unknown number of Afghans have died as a result of American invasions based on Bush regime lies and deceptions. Even Americans, like Senator Biden, Obama’s selection for vice president, who understand that the wars are based on lies, still want the US to win. So, it was all a mistake and a deception, but let’s win anyway and keep on killing.

    I know people who still complain that the US did not nuke North Vietnam. When I ask why Vietnam should have been nuked, they reply, “if we had nuked them we would have won.”

    What would America have won? The answer is world loathing and the loss of the cold war.

    For many Americans, war is like a sports contest in which they take vicarious pleasure and cheer on their side to victory. Millions of Americans are still bitter that “the liberal media” and war protesters caused America to lose the Vietnam war, and they are determined that this won’t happen again. These Americans have no realization that there was no more reason for the US to be fighting in Vietnam 40 years ago than to be fighting today in Iraq and Afghanistan or tomorrow in Iran.

    Obama, if elected, is no guarantee against nuclear war. Obama has shown that he is as much under the Israel Lobby’s thumb as McCain. Obama’s foreign affairs advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, is not a neocon, but he was born in Warsaw, Poland, and has the Pole’s animosity toward Russia. The Bush administration has already changed US war doctrine to permit preemptive nuclear attack. With the US government determined to ring Russia with puppet states and military bases, war is inevitable.

    Presidential appointees face confirmation in the Senate. Any of Obama’s appointees who might be out of step with plans for US and Israeli hegemony could expect opposition from large corporations and the Israel Lobby. There is no assurance that an Obama administration would not be positioned on “the issues” by the same special interests that have positioned the Bush administration.

    Americans are filled with hubris, not with knowledge. They have no awareness of the calamity that their government’s pursuit of hegemony is bringing to themselves and to life on earth.

  6. Stanley said

    If I was elected President, none of that would happen.

    Vote Stanley 012′

  7. Maz said

    I can’t wait for Jesus to come back, then He will be King! No more Presidents! No more elections to debate endlessly about! Hallelujah!

  8. Stanley said

    I’m not sure I’d vote for Jesus. He has less experience in the congress than Obama. (Joke. Please don’t hate me)

  9. Maz said

    Stanley; Ha ha ha ha ha! Jesus knows every hair on Obama’s head, apart from every grain of sand on every sea shore on earth and every star in the heavens. He knows everything! He will be a great King. And there certainly wouldn’t be any abortions.

  10. Kasha said

    Jesus is already King. The kingdom is already here, see Luke 17:20-25. The problem is that we, like Israel in 1 Samuel Chapter 8, demand an earthly king.

  11. Stanley said

    If Jesus came back, would he be able to veto bills passed by congress?

  12. Kasha said

    Ok Stanley, enough tongue in cheek. When Jesus returns there will be no congresses or governments.

  13. Stanley said

    I’m not so sure that would be true.

  14. Maz said

    Kasha: He may be King, but He said His Kingdom is not of this world. And His true reign on this earth will not begin until He sits on the throne in Jerusalem for 100 years…..and I don’t want to get into a debate about the Millenial reign.

    #12…that’s right.

    Stanley: You do not have a congress when a King reigns supreme as Jesus would.

  15. Maz said

    OOps…not 100….1000 years!

  16. Stanley said

    Would you have a Parliament? What would the bureaucracy entail? Would they be paid? What is Jesus’s stance on Universal Healthcare? Would Muslim countries become part of Jesus’s kingdom? Would there be a war? What about the language barrier? Would everyone work for the betterment of the species? and wouldn’t that be a form of communism?

    My point is, even if Jesus came back, it is unlikely that much good would come out of it. There would be war, genocide, famine, and all sorts of unpleasant things if a man, claiming to be the son of God (whether it be true or not) decided that he had ultimate jurisdiction over all of mankind. Few who are not already Christian would say “You’re right, this is the resurrected Son of God, he should be the ultimate ruler.

  17. Kasha said

    Do you seriously want to engage in conversation or are you just poking fun? Whether one is a millenialist or amillenialist or inbetween (not every Christian subscribes to the “Left Behind” view of eschatology, that is actually a fairly recent interpretation of the endtimes) most do not expect existence to be “business as usual” in the new age that will follow Christ’s return. Earth as we know it will be no more, so all that you mentioned above will be no more.

  18. Maz said

    Stanley: It says in the scriptures that Jesus will rule in righteousness, things will not be as they are now, there will be nothing to cause disease or sickness, nothing to cause wars, nothing to cause crime and violence, it will be 1000 years of peace from all the troubles that are and have been in the world.
    You see, the devil who causes much of this will be chained in a bottomless pit for 1000 years and will not be able to create the mayhem he does at the moment. It will be a time when people will see what it is like to live without all those terrible things.
    You can read about this time of the end in Revelation 19 and 20.

  19. F. L. A. said

    And you won’t have to put up with homicidal,skeptic,pagans like me.

  20. Maz said

    F.L.A: If you…..in some miracluous way (it would have to be ofcourse)…..come to know Christ as your Savior I would be thrilled to meet you in the Millenium. You would be changed and have a new body. Isn’t that something you would like?

  21. F. L. A. said

    VEEEEEEEEEERRRY miraculous, like a spiritual lobotomy[huge sharp-toothed grin].
    I have no place within your new kingdom, Maz.
    Especially if nobodies eating flesh anymore.

  22. Maz said

    F.L.A: You really don’t know what you would be missing. Meat is’nt everything.

  23. F. L. A. said

    No, there is also the thrill of the chase and struggle!
    Remember in the past when John asked for you to give us skeptics an example of what you Heaven would be like so that we would have an idea of what we are all going to miss? Why don’t you give that a try. Stanley may also be interested.

  24. Maz said

    F.L.A: Heaven is not just the most amazingly beautiful place that exists, it is timeless. We cannot possibly know what it is to live on a plain where linear time does not exist.
    If you can get hold of a copy of ”Caught up into Paradise”, by Dr Richard E. Eby, he describes in some detail what he saw and felt when he went to heaven (or paradise) after he had a fatal head injury…and came back to tell of it.
    He said that there was a complete absence of pain and a total presence of peace which he’d never experienced before. He was aware that the Lord was there within the place although he didn’t see Him.
    He spoke of the fragrance, so exquisite, which he had never experienced on earth, and the colours were far more vibrant than any on earth. Then there was the music. Ofcourse, it was heavenly, but it was so beautiful and harmonious, and it seemed to fill the place, not coming from any particular direction.
    He seemed to think where he wanted to go and he would be there in an instant, and when he walked, the flowers and plants were not crushed or broken beneath his feet, he seemed to walk right through them.
    There is so much more, and I really havn’t been able to give you the full picture.
    You’ll have to get the book if you can. But surfice to say, the place was unlike anything on earth.

  25. John said

    Mmmmm, thank you Maz.
    I’ll look for that book.

  26. Stanley said

    I find this all very difficult to believe. All of what you describe does not seem applicable with what we know about the nature of the universe.

  27. Maz said

    Stanley: The nature of the Universe is under the curse since Adams sin, so it is in a mess so to speak. When God makes a new heaven and a new earth, it won’t be anything like this. And anyway, wherever we go when we die, paradise or heaven, (or hell if you havn’t accepted Jesus as your Savior) it won’t be anything like earth….it will be a timeless place.

  28. Maz said

    John: I believe we do go to be ”with the Lord” as Paul teaches, and I believe it will be in heaven (or paradise) when we die if we have Jesus as Savior, but I have re-read the last two chapters of Revelation again and already knowing that the Bride of Christ will dwell in the New Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven, I realise heaven is not the final abode of the saved. You see I still have things to learn….and I shall be looking more into this for my own study.
    Have you ever read the book of Revelation?

  29. Stanley said

    Then does free will get taken away? There are some (not including myself) that wouldn’t believe your assertions no matter how much evidence you provide. You’d have to kill them or take away their free will, neither of which seem particularly Godly.

  30. F. L. A. said

    Stanley, I have heard a man named…Steve Boeman[?] on a Christian brodcast preaching that yes, these people would be removed of their free will upon entering Heaven[according to him]. I do not know how he came by this conclusion[An idea of perfect divine servitude?] but this proves that at least SOME Christians believe in this theory. I do not see any appeal in this fate myself, but then, my desires are vastly different than the common “True Believer”.
    As far as the universe goes, bear in mind that humanity has a very limited knowledge of, and view into the workings of the universe. It it a very weird place, and humanity only has it’s own perception to judge and learn by[relatively speaking].

  31. Maz said

    Stanley: I’v never heard of this before and I certainly don’t believe it. Freewill removed?

    As we have already chosen to follow Jesus Christ to be saved and spend eternal life with Him, our own free will has already set our destiny…..where we want to be. We will serve Him willingly because we love Him. But serving Him is in no way equated with slavery.

  32. Stanley said

    Some people wouldn’t care how much evidence you give them. Jesus could walk up to a fundamental non-christian, slap them in the face, say “this is true” perform some awe inspiring miracle, and they’d still continue to follow their religion. You can’t persuade these people with anything.

  33. F. L. A. said

    It would perhaps depend upon their motivation behind the choice to continue to follow their religion, or lack of.

  34. Stanley said

    Unwavering faith…

  35. Maz said

    Pilate asked a very good question once….”What is truth?”

    How would you answer?

  36. Stanley said

    Truth is the way things are no matter how people interpret it. Or a correct assertion. Truth has little to do with people, although people can make true statements.

    Say people didn’t exist, but the Earth still existed. The laws of mathematics and physics would fall into the category of truth.

    Which is why I don’t technically “believe” in morals as something that has to be done, or its sin, and therefore inherently wrong. I believe society has decided on a number of things we now call truths, but that doesn’t mean it necessarily has to be that way. It could be different.

  37. Stanley said

    I think those are objective truths. I don’t necessarily believe in subjective truths.

  38. Maz said

    Stanley: So would you say that truth is absolute no matter what people believe to be the truth?
    Would it be important for us to know what the absolute truth is?

    As far as morals go, one man may say he can do a certain thing because he thinks it’s OK, but it may effect somone else who obviously thinks it’s not. For instance, one man may think it’s OK to steal another mans possessions, but it isn’t OK for the one he has stolen from. Our morals will always effect other people, so it is important that we have a set of morals that is OK for everyone. I believe Gods laws on how to behave are good for everyone, as laid down in the Ten Commandments (although there were more than ten).
    I think you will find that if you break any of these you are bound to hurt someone else.

  39. Stanley said

    Don’t get me wrong, I live by my own moral code, and I think everyone should to. But I don’t think that I’m always right, although I try my best. I pretty much live by “do unto others,” as the basis of my situational morality.

  40. Maz said

    Stanley: But what if someone elses morals hurt you? You can’t have people going round with their own set of morals…..they would conflict somewhere along the line. The morals set out in the Bible are all summed up in one phrase, ”Love your neighbour (everyone) as yourself.”
    This is second to, ”Love the Lord your God with all your heart….”

    If you ‘do unto others’ then you may be going against your own morals…what then?

  41. F. L. A. said

    [Eternal sharp-toothed grin]
    No,….I’ll keep quiet.
    For now.

  42. Stanley said

    Well, I’m also not against having laws. I think that in a democracy, the majority should have the right to decide what rules people follow while in their borders. I never intentionally wrong someone, and when I do, its probably because I kid around too much.

  43. I don’t mind voting for a black american,if he is christian and a truthful man but when they print a picture of him
    in a turbin in the paper and say his name is hussen which he is covering up, also claiming he’s black when he has
    about 2 percent black, 40 percent white and 58 percent arab. I don’t know what to think, just be honest!!!!!!

  44. Kasha said

    43- Please go to factcheck.org to learn what is true about Barack Obama. He does not cover up that his middle name is Hussein. His mother was white from Kansas, his father was black from Kenya. I don’t know where you get that he is Arab. If you disagree with him politically, fine. But don’t judge him by the inaccurate rumours circulating the net about him.

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