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Reaching India & the atheist!

Posted by truthtalklive on August 6, 2008

On todays show our guest host is Alex Mcfarland. Alex’s guest today will be Phil Fernandes. Mr. Fernandes is President of The Institute of Biblical Defense. He has debated Michael Martin, Jeff Lowder, Dan Barker, & other atheist.We also had Billy Graham Palouse. For more information on Dr. Mcfarland please visit http://alexmcfarland.com/ & on Dr. Fernandes PhD please visit http://www.biblicaldefense.org/ also make sure you check out www.bcmindia.org nd check out that great Church they are building in India. Tune into at 5p (EST) and call in at 1-866-34-truth(87884) also leave comments here. As always thanks for listening!

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76 Responses to “Reaching India & the atheist!”

  1. John said

    Atheists..AND India?
    It seems to make a little more sense for Christians to work harder on settling their OWN differences among the different Christian and Christian-like denominations first, before they try and change the theological views of non-Christian cultures and theistic skeptics.
    But then hey,what do I know.

  2. Maz said

    Yes John: Have you noticed that there are differences in all of human life?
    There is disagreement about all sorts in every area of life not just Christian.
    I’m sure there are Wiccan’s that disagree on some things? How about Moslems? Hindhus? Jehovahs Witnesses? Mormons? Even Americans? 😉
    Wherever humans are there is differing beliefs and views…..so telling Christians to ‘work harder on settling their OWN differences’ is as if you are saying we are the only ones who need to do that.
    India needs the gospel right now….they can’t wait for the Church to sort out their differences.
    I doubt whether we ever will sort them out……until Jesus comes.

  3. Kenny Woo said

    As an atheist myself I look at the fractured state of Christianity as a failure of unity and cohesiveness. I certainly don’t want any part of it. India does not need the gospel, they simply need more of a free market economy.

  4. Maz said

    Kenny: That won’t help them when they have to face eternity.

  5. Kenny Woo said

    They won’t have to face anything except our own ultimate deaths. That is the only inevitability we all share.

  6. Anonymous said

    And what hapens after that? Just gone forever? No soul?

  7. Maz said

    Kenny: How sure are you? Do you know what is after death…I mean REALLY know? Are you prepared to face death with your belief? I am prepared to face it with mine.

  8. Kenny Woo said

    I simply have nothing reliable to turn to that indicates what happens after death. I do know that there is an emotional appeal to believe otherwise, but emotionality is not good enough.
    As for the “soul”, this is a belief shared by many ancients, pagan and otherwise. No one should make any assumptions or lifestyle choices based on the writings of primitive savages.

  9. Maz said

    Kenny: You are right when you say emotionality is not good enough. It wasn’t just my emotions that were stirred when I met Jesus Christ for the first time (spiritually speaking) there was a deffinite spiritual experience beyond feelings. But I can’t use words to explain it to you.
    How can someone explain love for example?

    And the soul is the real ‘you’ inside the body you possess. There is more to you than the physical. But there is also the spirit within man. The part of us that is eternal. It has to go somewhere when we die and this body of flesh decays.

    My authority for saying all this is from the Bible that has proved to me beyond a doubt that God exists and that He created us.

  10. Anonymous said

    As opposed to current or modern day savages? Such as those who are pro-abortion? So are the New Testament writers also considered by you to be savages? I guess Jesus would probably qualify as a savage too?

  11. Kenny Woo said

    Hi Maz. You actually have never met Jesus, you simply had a good feeling that you attribute to him because others have done so as well. The soul is a concept we stole from pagan religions, nothing more. It is not up to me to accept this belief simply because the ancients invented it.
    And I am sorry, but the Bible is a horrible book to base anything on.

  12. Anonymous said

    Yeah that nasty ole book that says those awful things about how much God loves His children, How we should love others more than we love ourselves, Care for the poor and other terrible things like that.

  13. Kenny Woo said

    >>As opposed to current or modern day savages? Such as those who are pro-abortion?

    Reply: A zygote isn’t a human being, therefore it isn’t any more savage than squashing a fly. However, in the Bible we have “Happy are those who grab your babies and smash them against the rocks.” (Ps. 137:9). The bible isn’t pro-life, and it certainly does not respect the rights of the “unborn” much less born.

    >>So are the New Testament writers also considered by you to be savages? I guess Jesus would probably qualify as a savage too?

    Reply: The Jesus the writers speak of was an exemplary person for his age, but anyone who says he comes to send a Sword, and to break families apart is a savage in my book.

  14. Kenny Woo said

    anon: Yeah that nasty ole book that says those awful things about how much God loves His children, How we should love others more than we love ourselves, Care for the poor and other terrible things like that.

    Reply: The bible has warm and fuzzy sayings, it also has really bad sayings as well. Cherry-picking verses is a favorite past-time of Christians.

    (Isaiah 45:7) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things

  15. Anonymous said

    Context, context, context. Of which you are apparently clueless. I’ll move on to someone who will actually apply some common sense. See ya!

  16. Anonymous said

    It’s interesting how people who believe it’s ok to kill babies because of their irresponsibility, like to come up with other terms to make their beliefs sound less brutal. It used to be fetus… Now it’s zygote. Sad

  17. F. L. A. said

    [Snicker,snicker]
    Ahem.
    Welcome to the site Kenny Woo.I like your name. It is fun to say.
    Anyway, not all of the ancients, Pagan or otherwise, were savages.
    Old wisdom is still wisdom, it’s just a matter of finding a way to reapply ancient wisdom[If one can] in a modern world.For example, if humanity is able to survive another 1 million years, would it be proper for the men and women of that distant age to refer to the wisdom of Albert Einstein, Tesla, Charles Darwin, or Steven Hawking as mer savages unworthy of attention?

    Maz, I know that you will not agree with this idea, but I’ll say it anyway. Those people in India who are strong in their chosen faith already have their own versions of the afterlife with it’s various Heavens and Hells to be concerned with.

  18. Kenny Woo said

    anon: Context, context, context. Of which you are apparently clueless.

    Reply: and which contexts makes smashing babies against rocks acceptable to you?

  19. Boris said

    “Missionaries are perfect nuisances and leave every place worse than they found it.” – Charles Dickens

    “The pioneers and missionaries of religion have been the real cause of more trouble and war than all other classes of mankind.” – Edgar Allen Poe

    It always shocks Christians when people they hold in high esteem all their lives turn out to be unbelievers.

  20. Maz said

    Kenny: ” Hi Maz. You actually have never met Jesus.”
    You say that as if you have a monopoly on the truth. And you know exactly what my life has been all about…? Mmmmmmmmm.

    Actually Jesus is The Truth……the embodiment of the love of God, a love that allowed man to send Him to an early grave in the most horrendous way concocted by man, but a grave that could not hold Him. I KNOW He is alive, I don’t just believe it.
    It is not some airy-fairy ‘somewhere-out-there’ faith, but a living fibrant faith built on a relationship with the Author and Finisher of it.

    Isn’t it strange…or not so….that those who oppose the Bible always seem to pick out the horrible bits as if the other parts don’t exist. But how can we expect you to understand the Person of God? No one can know what God is like unless they are willing to find out.

    You judge without knowledge of what and Who you judge.
    You have no right.
    But……..God has every right to judge you…….but His love and mercy says through His Son, ”Come to me…”, it’s up to you whether you do or not.

  21. Kenny Woo said

    >>It used to be fetus… Now it’s zygote. Sad

    Reply: Or we could just do the biblical thing and wait till they are born and smash them against rocks, and be happy to do so.

    Listen, God is the greatest abortionist that ever lived. There are two scriptures that pertain to it and God gives no heartfelt consideration to the unborn in these verses. In fact, the way we are intelligently designed, up to 30% of “unborn babies” are aborted naturally, often without us even knowing it.

  22. Maz said

    F.L.A: They do. But it is what is true, and what is reality that matters. Who’s Heaven and Hell is real? It’s important to find out don’t you think?

  23. Kenny Woo said

    >>Kenny: ” Hi Maz. You actually have never met Jesus.”
    You say that as if you have a monopoly on the truth. And you know exactly what my life has been all about…? Mmmmmmmmm.

    Reply: Religious delusions are common-place. This is why the fastest growing religions are Mormons and other such faiths.

    Maz: Isn’t it strange…or not so….that those who oppose the Bible always seem to pick out the horrible bits as if the other parts don’t exist.

    Reply: You are only as strong as your weakest link, and there are many weak links in that book of books.

  24. Maz said

    Kenny: Don’t you think God knows what those babies would grow up to be….just like their parents…..idol worshippers….killing their own babies as they sacrifice them to Moloch or some other heathen god?

    How easily you judge others…….what about the partial birth abortion? Tearing a baby limb from limb, cutting the back of it’s neck and spinal column before it has a chance to breathe outside of the womb…..as it is born. I personally wrote to your President to protest against this barbaric way of abortion. I’m against all abortion. What have you done to protest? You need to speak against the barbaric practices of your own day and your own country before speaking out against another people….against God Himself….Someone you really don’t know atall….you have no understanding of the grief He endures to see what MAN does to MAN…..what about their atrocities?

  25. Maz said

    Kenny: I agree…again. ‘Religious delusions’ are common place…….there are hundreds of ‘religions’ and only one Truth. But there are also phylosophical delusions aswell.
    In the end it is all to do with what you believe. I base my belief on the Bible….and I have not just read it through several times, studied it, re-read it, for over 30 years, but know the codes, paterns, design put within it’s pages. That and the prophecies that have been fulfilled within it’s pages and those being fulfilled today right before our eyes….except that some don’t see it. There are too many proofs of it’s reliability for it to be just a string of stories written by ‘savages’. How ‘savages’ could write such a book anyway would certainly be a miracle!

  26. Boris said

    Reply: You are only as strong as your weakest link, and there are many weak links in that book of books.

    Ooooooooch. Good one Kenny! Did you come up with that version yourself? I wish I would have thought of that one. That is what you call the old literary knockout punch. She’s down for the count.

  27. Maz said

    Some people are so proud in their vain imaginings.

  28. Kenny Woo said

    maz: Kenny: Don’t you think God knows what those babies would grow up to be….just like their parents…..idol worshippers….killing their own babies as they sacrifice them to Moloch or some other heathen god?

    Reply: Frankly I find it sickening when Christians defend verses like Psalm 137:9. It shows how cruel good people can become, and it is quite unsettling. When you believe absurdities, you can commit atrocities. There is simply no good reason to smash babies against rocks, and what it happening here in this one verse is simply ethnic-cleansing.

    >>How easily you judge others…….what about the partial birth abortion? Tearing a baby limb from limb, cutting the back of it’s neck and spinal column before it has a chance to breathe outside of the womb…..as it is born.

    Reply: Most partial-birth or later term abortions are RARE and used mostly when it appears that the fetus or the mother more than likely will DIE otherwise. In certain circumstances the doctors can save fetus or mother but not both so those that speak loudest against this procedure and literally saying save the child kill the mother.

  29. Boris said

    Boris says: This is itself a delusional statement:

    Kenny: I agree…again. ‘Religious delusions’ are common place…….there are hundreds of ‘religions’ and only one Truth.

    Boris says: The claim to have the “truth” is itself a delusion. Who can’t figure that out?

    That and the prophecies that have been fulfilled within it’s pages

    That’s right. The Bible makes predictions which are found nowhere else and then claims they came true with events described nowhere else. ROFL!

  30. Kenny Woo said

    maz: I base my belief on the Bible….and I have not just read it through several times, studied it, re-read it, for over 30 years, but know the codes, paterns, design put within it’s pages.

    Reply: Maz, there codes and patterns in Moby Dick, but I hold a religious believe in Herman Melville. I have also studied the bible. I was a minister, and a student of KOINH Greek and have translated the bible.

    >>That and the prophecies that have been fulfilled within it’s pages and those being fulfilled today right before our eyes….except that some don’t see it.

    Reply: There are many unfulfilled prophecies in the bible, and perhaps you can give me an example of a fulfilled prophecy?

    >>How ’savages’ could write such a book anyway would certainly be a miracle!

    Reply: You and I could write a much better book.

  31. Maz said

    Kenny: We don’t have partial-birth abortion in Britain……it is not needed…usually if a mother is in danger, a caesarian is done.
    IN parital-birth abortion, the baby is being BORN, how can cutting it to pieces as it comes out, save the life of the mother?

  32. Kenny Woo said

    Correction on the above, it should read “there codes and patterns in Moby Dick, but I DO NOT hold a religious believe in Herman Melville.

  33. Maz said

    Kenny: Tell me some of these codes and paterns in Moby Dick? What a whale of a wopper! 8)

  34. Kenny Woo said

    >>We don’t have partial-birth abortion in Britain……it is not needed…usually if a mother is in danger, a caesarian is done.

    Reply: Then good. Late term abortions done for selfish reasons is not something I condone either, but in any case they are very rare. Also, abortions are much safer than births, and ceasarian births lead to ten times more fatalities than births, but those are rare as well. Late term abortions for the sake of birth control is not something i like, but it is much rarer than many think, therefore not a giant issue, and none of this comes to a defense of your god who kills babies ad nauseum.

  35. Maz said

    Kenny: How many millions of babies die each year before they are able to be born?
    MOST of them are for social reasons, not to save the mothers life……that is so rare too.

  36. F. L. A. said

    It is odd for one to read a Young-Earth Christian Creationist speak of reality in regards to theology. Maz, why do you truly feel qualified to personally judge how other cultures theological belief systems, their deities, Heavens and Hells, are less real or more delusional than yours?
    Although you will probably disagree, Hinduism[The dominant theological belief system of India, followed by Buddhism] is far older than Judaism or it’s “child” Christianity. At least if one follows real history.
    That said, would not this theology contain even more “truth”?

  37. Maz said

    F.L.A: I really wish I had just one sentence I could say that would convince you of the Truth of the Bible, the Word of God…..but I can’t.
    Actually Hinduism is not older than Judaism. It all began with Abraham…..was Hinduism around then? Was India around then?

  38. Kenny Woo said

    >>Kenny: Tell me some of these codes and paterns in Moby Dick? What a whale of a wopper!

    Reply: Christians are usually completely unaware of the scientific refutations of many of their claims.
    For more on Moby Dick see http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/codes/torah.html
    http://cs.anu.edu.au/people/bdm/dilugim/moby.html
    http://www.skepdic.com/bibcode.html
    http://www.csicop.org/si/9711/bible-code.html
    or simply access google yourself.

  39. Kenny Woo said

    maz: Kenny: How many millions of babies die each year before they are able to be born?
    MOST of them are for social reasons, not to save the mothers life……that is so rare too.

    Reply: Actually most of the are aborted naturally, by your god.

    “Gynecology textbooks conservatively cite a 15% miscarriage rate, with one medical study finding a spontaneous abortion rate of almost 90% in very early pregnancy. That would make a deity in charge of nature the greatest abortionist in history!” -Dan Barker

  40. Maz said

    Kenny: I had a miscarriage about 20 years ago, but in no way do I attribute that to my God.
    I don’t know why it happened, but there must have been a very good reason.
    Have to go now, will be back tomorrow. Happy debating. 🙂

  41. Kenny Woo said

    >>Kenny: I had a miscarriage about 20 years ago, but in no way do I attribute that to my God.
    I don’t know why it happened, but there must have been a very good reason.

    Reply: Maz, it called INTELLIGENT DESIGN.

  42. F. L. A. said

    Maz, I was not expecting you to believe in the history supporting the seniority of Hinduism over Judaism because I know that you think that the only “real history” is biblical history “In the beginning…God created….Adam and Eve..etc.etc.”, but your question “Was India around then?”; I don’t know what to make of this question. Do you mean the Indian continent, or something else?

  43. Anonymous said

    Mr. woo woo. you just crossed the line dude. that was just plain nasty.

  44. Kenny – Apparently you aren’t aware of the rules here. We demand respect to and from others, regardless of belief. No profanity. No obscene or vulgar references or links. We usually allow 2 warnings and the 3rd warning is banishment from the site. We can legally do this. We own the site and the servers.

    We have Mormons, atheists, Christians, Catholics, Wiccans and monsters on here, Kenny. In 2 years we’ve only had to ban 3 people.

    However, your comment (#41) here where you refer to Maz’s miscarriage as INTELLIGENT DESIGN is so ridiculously repulsive, offensive, disgusting, inconsiderate and just downright mean…..forget the rules. We’re jumping right past the 1st two warnings.

    We can’t allow you to continue, Kenny.

    Go spread your hate somewhere else.

    Moderator

  45. John said

    Post#41: Jeeze LaWeeez Kenny!
    And to think that Me and Ferox sometimes worried about whether or not WE were a little too rude….

  46. Maz said

    Truth Talk: I think this goes to show only too well the kind of heart these people have….the Bible calls the condition of our heart ‘desperately wicked’….before we are saved from our sin by our wonderful Savior. To be honest, if people who do not believe in God have to come on here to vent their feelings in such an ugly way, then there is something very wrong with their thinking, I think those already here would agree.

  47. ADB said

    Good call moderator. Thanks.

  48. Maz said

    F.L.A: #42. I mean India as a country with people believing in Hinduism, the sacred cow, washing in the river etc.

  49. Tripp said

    Here’s my take-away from this:

    The atheist is obviously full of hate and seeks only to hurt the Christian.

    The Christian, while not flawless by any stretch of the imagination, is not full of hate and seeks only to help the atheist.

    Kenny and Boris have proven this to be true.

  50. F. L. A. said

    Well, THOSE Atheists, anyway. I wonder if Woo ever considered the consequinces of his actions before he made that cold comment.
    I have to go and eat right now, Maz. I shall get back to you a little later.

  51. F. L. A. said

    Maz, what exactly would you like to know about the sacred river, the cattle, and Hinduism in India? I realize that this may seem like foolish knit-picking, however I want to know specifics to help me give a knit-picky, ultra-technical, long-winded, way too detailed answer.

  52. Maz said

    F.L.A: What does the history books say about when Hinduism and all it’s rituals began?

  53. Maz said

    I’v looked in some of my old notes on religions and found out some strange and interesting things about Hindhuism.
    They believe the world always was and always will be, it will change but it will never end. Not quite the Big Bang phylosophy! No first creation….just endless destruction and creation.
    Those endless cycles! Reincarnation…..endless cycles of life and death and perhaps one day you may make Nirvana!
    But the strange thing is that they believe there is One Universal Spirit or Eternal Essence, without beginning and without end, called Brahman or ‘world soul’, and this ‘world soul’ is the ‘Three-in-One-God’ called Trimutri. A Triune God!
    So it seems that Hinduism teaches that this Brahman has always existed and so has this world.
    Whereas the 3 main religions, Islam, Judaism and Christianity believe that the Universe was created by God 6000 years ago. The Bibles account sounds more sense to me without the science to back it up.
    So was Hindhuism here before Christianity or Judaism? THEY say so, but I think history, archaeology and science would disagree with their belief in a never ending Universe.
    So the question is, who started the Hindhu religion?

  54. bookert said

    Maz –

    Depends on what you mean by “here’. Every religion claims an unbroken lineage to the First Creation, even more recent religions like Mormonism. If you’re talking “manuscripts”, or other physical evidence, yes, hinduism (an offshoot of the Vedas) pre-dates just about everything.

    The earliest Christian manuscripts are papyrus, most of them either fragmentary or only partially extant, and the texts that they contain include those that came to form part of the familiar canon of Christian scriptures, as well as some of the many extra-canonical texts of the early Christian period, too. To be sure, we have some other important physical evidence of Christianity from the early to middle third century C.E., such as the church in Dura-Europos and the earliest levels of the Roman catacombs. But, if commonly-accepted paleographical dating of early Christian manuscripts is correct, these include several that go back to the middle to late second century, some of which have only recently been published, making them earlier than anything else extant as artifacts of Christianity in its earliest period. So the earliest written account of the Gospels dates to time well after Jesus’s death. Check out Bart Ehrman on Youtube for greater clarification. He holds up a remnant about the size of a credit card and says, “This is our oldest Christian manuscript.”

    The Sarasvati society was the greatest Vedic society – as the Rigveda describes, and as science now confirms. It was flowing in all its majesty from 8000 B.C. to 4,000 B.C. It began to decline about 3500 B.C. and dried up completely in the 2200 B.C. to 1900 B.C period. Considering that agriculture had been mastered in Southeast Asia-in Thailand and the Mekong region-no later than 10,000 B.C. or 12,000 years ago, the Sarasvati dates give a reasonable approximation for the Vedic period. It means that in the post Ice Age period, it took some 2000 years for agriculture to make its way from its place of origin to the Sarasvati river area. This is probably an underestimate.

    Hope that helps –

  55. Maz said

    With what I’v read about the beliefs of Hinduism, I believe it was a religion like some others that started with possibly partial truth…..the Triune God, ever existing etc…and it got corrupted into what it is today. It is really a religion of bondage and works. Judaism (and eventually Christianity) has real recorded history from the very beginning with geneologies and places all recorded for us. It is too exact and precise to be poetry as some have said, or myth as others have said.

  56. F. L. A. said

    Good job Bookert.
    I was busy playing around at this parrtAAAAY.

    Maz, sounds like you may have things a little backwards there.
    Were you implying that Hinduism got it’s beliefs[Triune God, ever existing etc…] from Judaism and Christianity?

  57. Maz said

    Possibly….seeing as I believe that the Triune God of the Bible existed first before other religions were invented.

  58. F. L. A. said

    Yes…I thought you would feel thus about it.

  59. Ivy said

    Most of the 58 comments above are the reason why real Christians are not commenting on this site.

    It’s been taken over by a bunch of atheists. I’ve continued to ask FLA and his band of merrymen 🙂 Why do you frequent a site that is categorically against your beliefs? And then I have to say to myself, oh, because your father sent you.

    Please stop being pawns. Isn’t there an atheistsareus [dot] com site that you can spread your blather on?

    And to Kenny Woo: You don’t have a command on the truth, nor on right or wrong. I suppose you’re going to tell me that morality is a human construct or some such thing? If you have nothing to believe in, why bother?

    My faith is reality and is based on things not carnally discerned, only spiritually-discerned. Your spouting off won’t change it and because you seem to operate in the natural, in the material, then this is all an existential conversation to you and therefore a waste of time. Why not leave?

  60. Maz said

    Ivy: With respect, I am also a Christian, born-again, spirit filled, but this is a debating site…yes it is a Christian site… but others of different beliefs are free to blog here. But they have to do it respectfully, and most now do that. A few have been banned as was Kenny Woo and Boris recently. We can’t have a proper debate without both sides, so altho I don’t agree with a lot of stuff posted here, they have the freedom to do it and I have the freedom to answer them.

    I do however wonder why more Christians aren’t prepared to stand up for the faith and speak out against some of the atheistic onslaught we have had on this site in the past.
    By the way, F.L.A is on here more for amusement than anything else, and puts a bit of humour in when things get heavy. However we need to pray for these people also because they need Jesus.
    And while they are on this site we have an opportunity to tell them the Truth.

  61. F. L. A. said

    You mean my father Satan, Ivy?
    YOU are the reason why I come here.
    You help satisfy my superiority complex[huge sharp-toothed grin].

  62. F. L. A. said

    And just to help make things clear for you Ivy, the first sentence within post#61 was a question, not a confession.

  63. F. L. A. said

    IIIIIIIIIIVVVYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY…
    On the site “What is your idea to change the world?” you said, “Evangelize to everyone we come in contact with.”
    Now bearing this in mind, why do we hardly ever hear from you? Why do you always criticize us skeptics and continue to hope that we all just go away, when you have such an opportunity as this to witness to Pagans, Atheists,and various heretics who have gone out of their way to seek people like you out? Do you not see the potential of such an opportunity? I’m not saying that your efforts will be successful, but you should at least TRY,as one of the “real” Christians, don’t you think?
    Perhaps I am mistaken about what constitutes a real Christian, Ehhh?
    John and I can give Maz a begrudging respect because she’s always putting up with our crap and doggedly STILL trying to win our apathetic souls over to her deity, like an Army Ant that continues to hold on with it’s clamped jaws after all but the head has been ripped away.
    Do you go out of your way to post on Atheistic, Satanic, or Pagan websites, trying to save souls or, just to get a better understanding of the opposition to aid you later as you do the Lords work? Or do you just….come to sites like this where you can always expect the company of those with similar views to help you build up your faith and make you feel wanted and appreciated as a fellow true believer? You think that I am antagonistic and oppressive? Then think of this as a lesson in spiritual temperance. You cannot sharpen a battle ax on silk and a kiss. So, put on your spiritual armor and jump into the fray. Or…just ignore us.

  64. Maz said

    F.L.A: I take that as a compliment from you, even if it is begudging. A real Christian does not give up when the going gets tough. I don’t believe it is ever too late….for some.
    And I have a heart for the lost….which is what all Christians should have. I was once where you are now, so I know what I’m talking about.

  65. F. L. A. said

    Do you.
    You do not know me as well as you may believe you do.
    I do not think of myself as lost, spiritually speaking.
    Perhaps confused….

  66. F. L. A. said

    Maz, how is it that you have so much free time within your day to post throughout the day like this? Are you retired, or something?

  67. Maz said

    F.L.A: Ofcourse from my and from Gods point of view, you are lost, spiritually speaking.
    And I am retired. Actually I have a bad back at the moment so had more free time than usual. But I’m getting there.

  68. Maz said

    F.L.A: #65. Probably not, but you like to clothe yourself in mystery and make out you are some kind of monster from the deep, and you aren’t. If you are anything, you are a human being that God loves, and He wants so much to reach your heart inside.

  69. F. L. A. said

    ………………………………………………………….
    ……….[huge sharp-toothed grin]………..

    What an odd woman you must believe that I am.

  70. Maz said

    F.L.A: What can I say? It’s only what I have perceived from your posts. 🙂

  71. John said

    Yes, Ferox is a human being.

    Indeed[smile].

    Ivy, in regards to post#59; read “Can God save Osoma Bin Laden?” listed under “Apologetics”, posts#46-#49.

  72. Maz said

    John: I really didn’t think she was anything else, and it would be nice to know a bit more about her. It was nice to hear the bit about your mum, I think it helps when we are posting here to know a little about who we are debating with.

  73. F. L. A. said

    Oh, I think that you already know more than enough about me as it is Maz, sorry.
    I’ve certainly given you your fair share of helpful hints. To divulge much more personal information would lead to too many annoying revelations and questions.

  74. Maz said

    F.L.A: That’s fine with me. I didn’t really want to know your deepest secrets.

  75. F. L. A. said

    I am not inclined to share the shallow ones either.

  76. Maz said

    F.L.A: That’s fine too. 8)

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