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Politics and the Church?

Posted by truthtalklive on July 28, 2008

On todays show Stu opens the mic to see what you think about Rick Warrens recent attempt to bring Sen Barack Obama and Sen Mccain into his Church. Visit these sites for more information http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52998, and http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/21/us/politics/21church.html. If you want to get in on the on-air discussion call 1-866-34-truth (87884). As always thanks for listening!

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6 Responses to “Politics and the Church?”

  1. Alex said

    Separation between Church and State may not be directly expressed in the constitution, but its still a good idea. I’m morally opposed to slavery and extreme disciplinary actions.

  2. jAsOn said

    There are plenty of opportunities to make one’s self aware of the stances of the different candidates, and “debates” will likely take place in the coming weeks and months, but if the debate format in which the opposing ideas are presented does not include a substantive amount of time for one candidate to cross-examine the other’s statements, then it’s a real waste of time.

    One thing is for sure, Warren’s sub-biblical ecclesiology has laid the foundation for just such an event to take place; once again the process is proven true, our theology ALWAYS informs our philosophy, which in turn dictates our methodology.

    Of course it is wrong for the church to host such an event. The church’s purpose is to preach the gospel, rightly administer the sacraments (ordinances) and disciple believers. Providing a forum for political discourse evidences a confusion of the purposes for which God has ordained two of His created entities: government and the church, and it will only help in the continuation of the confusion of the purposes of those two entities.

  3. Alex said

    And why is Obama in a church? Everyone knows he is a secret muslim… heheh.

  4. ADB said

    I’m not one of those that is typically a “Warren-hater,” but hosting a political debate in the church is walking on a very slippery slope. It’s not far from that to having parishioners think that the church endorses one candidate or another. The church must have an independant place from which to raise a prophetic voice regarding important issues- whether they be abortion, lottery, or anything else. The Kingdom is not of this world as Jesus put it. Augustine wrote one of his masterworks, “The City of God,” in part to reinforce the idea that the “city of God” and the “city of man” are two entirely different entities. Sadly, churches both right and left mess this one up. Listen to some prominent religious leaders and one can get the idea that Jesus is a registered Republican. On the other side, how often have predominantly African American churches given their pulpits to Democratic candidates essentially to be campaign rallies.

    Best Wishes

  5. Tim said

    I think this a fantastic idea. I believe it will be very beneficial for everybody.

  6. Ben Maulis said

    “No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [this] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.”

    “Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.”

    Should the church be meddling in the political affairs of this world system or should we be acting as soldiers and ambassadors with a foreign allegiance?

    Our conversation is in heaven. Our kingdom is not of this world. It is the kingdom of God. Now our king has ordered us to obey the governing authorities and to be subject to the higher powers. We have “diplomatic immunity” but we also have a commandment not to put at risk diplomatic relations by evildoing:

    “Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: As free, and not using [your] liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.”

    The church has a commission to speak god’s word as his representative. We ought not to speak presumptuously, nor to speak of ourselves or the imaginations of our own hearts.

    Imagine if a foreign minister or ambassador from another kingdom or nation came to the nation where you reside and organized political action committees, joined parties, ran candidates, campaigned or endorsed candidates. It would be meddling.

    On the other hand, as his representatives, we ought to represent him according to his word. But before presuming to speak what we believe is his judgment concerning a wide array of political issues, consider that he himself has ordained all higher powers. Therefore before speaking presumptuously on anything, we ought to consider in what matter he has explicitly charged us to represent him.

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