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How Should God’s People Vote?

Posted by truthtalklive on July 24, 2008

A timely topic with the presidential election fast approaching. Any easy answers here? Stu welcomes guest Captain Jim Kinney, former campaign staffer for Mike Huckabee.

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47 Responses to “How Should God’s People Vote?”

  1. LEONARD said

    Stu;

    I agree we need to overturn the system but I abide in the philosophy that a 3rd party movement must gain momentum and acceptance at the local / state level.

    For me it is more a question of who I cannot vote for, as opposed to who I WILL VOTE for !!!

    How can any Bible believing human being, Christian, vote for any candidate who would subject his daughters to abortion, who openly states that he believes there are many ways to eternal life, and many more . . .

    I do know who I am not going to vote for !!!

  2. Les Helms said

    North Carolina Constitution December 18, 1776

    Artical XXXII That no person, who shall deny the being of God or the truth of the Protestant Religion, or the divine authority either of the Old or New Testaments,or who shall hold religious principles incompatible with the freedom and safety of the State, shall be capable of holding any office or place of trust or profit in the civil department within this State.

  3. Alex said

    WOW!

    Does that Article still stand?!

    Ron Paul for president… still…

  4. Les Helms said

    I was told it does but haven’t check it out myself.

  5. Les Helms said

    Fundamental Orders of 1639

    For as much as it hath pleased Almighty God by the wise dispostion of His Divine Providence…we the inhabitants and Residents of Windsor, Hartford and Wethersfield…the Word of God Requires that to maintain the peace and Union of such a people there should be an orderly and decent Government established according to God…to maintain and preserve the liberty an purity of the Gospel of or Lord Jesus which we now profess…which according to the truth of the said Gospel is now practiced amongst us; as also in our civil affairs to be guide and governed according to such Laws, Rules and Decrees as shall be made, ordered and decreed as followeth:

  6. Les Helms said

    Original Constitution fo The Colony of New Haven, June 4, 1639
    The 4th day of the 4th month, called June, 1639, all the free planters assembled together in a general meeting, to consult about settling civil government, according to God…after solemn invocation of the name of God, in prayer for the presence and help of His Spirit and grace, in those weighty businesses, they were reminded of the business whereabout they met, (viz.) for th establishment of such civil order as might be most pleasing unto God…

    Agreement of the Settlers at Exeter in New Hampshire, 1639
    Whereas it hath pleased the Lord to move the heart of our dread sovereigns Charles by the Grace of God…considering with ourselves the holy Will of God and o’er own necessity that we should not live without wholesomne lawes and Civil Government among us of which we are altogether destitute; do in the name of Christ and in the sight of God combine ourselves together to erect and set up among us such Government as shall be to our best discering agreeable to the Will of God…

    The Articles of Confereration of the United Colonies of New England; May 19, 1643
    Whereas we all came into these parts of America with one and the same end and aim, namely, to advance the Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ and to enjoy the liberties of the Gospel on purity with peace…

    Frame of Government of Pennsylvania May 5, 1682 (The Preface)
    When the geat and wise God had made the world, of all his creatures, it pleased him to choose man his deputy to rule it: and to fit him for so great a charge and trust, he did not only qualify him with skill and power, but with integrity to use them justly…But lust prevaling against duty, made a lamentable breach upon it; and the law, that before had no power over him, took place upon him…Thi

  7. BOZO bozarth said

    Now, surely someone has corrupted the originals. Surely the originals were secular and devoid of references to “God” and that “Jesus” name……

    Don’t say it ain’t so! You mean our great nation just may have been founded on….dare I say it…Biblical principles! Oh, the horror of it all!!!!

    🙂 😉 🙂

  8. John said

    Founded, or conquered?
    I still meet Native Americans that are bitter over the whole “founding of America” by the foreign invaders from across the sea.

    Times sure change, eh?

  9. Barney said

    Swagger it, boys, but you dream of a perfect fundamentalist society which never existed.

    Re: post #2

    The U.S. Constitution which was ratified by NC on…wait a minute (got to love Google)..November 21, 1789, and, according to the wikipedia entry on “no religious test clause”, “In 1961, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that such language in state constitutions was in violation of Article VI of the U.S. Constitution in Torcaso v. Watkins.” at which time our fundie ancestors must’ve twitched, at least, in their graves.

  10. I have been listening to the late night/early morning rerun of Truth Talk Live.

    1. If I had a heart attack, I would obey James 5:14,15 – 14 Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.

    Nothing about going to a cardiologist, Stu. Call the pastors, those that really believe the Bible, those that can pray in faith, and their prayers WILL save the sick, and GOD will raise them up. Do we believe this book or not, is the question. If you don’t believe it, Stu, shut the radio off, put down your microphone and go home, because you are doing harm than good by calling yourself a Christian.

    I understand that our founding fathers were not experts at running a government, but they produced the greatest documents, apart from the Bible ever produced. Our Constitution is the greatest Constitution of any country ever produced in the history of the world, produced by people that had never run a government. But they knew God.

    One of our presidents, President Garfield, I believe, was a preacher.

    Our nation has a heart problem. The number one sickness is not homosexuality, it is not abortion, it is not porn. The number one sickness, the number one attack, is a movement in the top echelons of government, to turn the sovereignty of our nation to the globalists, to those that would strip us of our constitutional rights. They, like your expert cardiologist, believe that THEY, and not God, is have the answers. They, do not believe that doing things GOD’s way, can solve our problems. Do you?

    I supported Mike Huckabee until I found out that His main foreign policy adviser was, indeed a globalist that wanted to sell us down the drain.

    I am now supporting Dr. Chuck Baldwin. Yes, he is third party, and yes, he does understand how to govern a nation according to the Constitution of the United States. He is the ONLY man running for president that is 100 percent pro life, that is unashamedly Christian, that wants to return us to Constitutional government.

    He has been a good friend of Dr. Ron Paul, as well as being an outspoken voice for freedom, as a talk show host, and columnist for many years. Ron Paul has even “unofficially endorsed” his candidacy on CNN. He DOES understand, and will gather godly people around him, that know how to govern the nation according to the Constitution, touch the heart of God,who will heal our land.

    Would it be a wasted vote? Your vote is only wasted when you vote for someone with values you do not agree with. A vote for the “lesser of two evils” is STILL a vote for evil.

    I remind you of Proverbs 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

    Can a third party candidate win? Abe Lincoln did, in spite of the fact that the odds were against him.

    Check out Chuck Baldwin at:
    http://www.baldwin08.com
    http://www.ChuckBaldwinlive.com
    http://www.ConstitutionParty.com

    Peter J Shepherd

  11. Les Helms said

    Peter,

    Your reply is almost dead on. I disagree with who the number one enemy is. It is the Church, it is God’s people. First, because we (the church as a whole, not every individual) do not keep the Saboth Holy. We have profaned His Holy Day. We are to worship God every day but the one day He commanded us to set aside to rest in Him we have filled with our own pleasures. He said to keep the [DAY] holy. We figure we’ve gone to church now the rest of the Day is [mine]to do as [I] please. Second, We don’t believe God’s word. We have become statist. We run to the Government (Egypt) to solve all our problems not to God. Isaiah 31:1 Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the LORD!

    McCain / Obama = God’s judgement on a church for their sins.

    2 Chronicles 7:14
    If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

    We must believe God, that he is the one who sets up kings and puts down kings. It is the Christians obligation to vote biblically and leave the results up to God. The government is a minister of God. If the person running for office does not believe the God of the Bible and uphold biblical principles we can not vote for them, it would be a sin.

    George Bush does not believe in the God of the bible, he’s a pluralist. He say “pray to whoever you god is” just pray. I didn’t vote for Bush either.

    I too am voting for Chuck Baldwin. But change isn’t going to happen from the top down. First we have to start believing in God again and repent of our sins. Then we have to start raising Godly men and praying for Godly men to run for office at the city, county, State, judicial levels.

    Until then, we are going to suffer Gods judgement on this land. He’s just giving us what we’ve asked for.

  12. BOZO Bozarth said

    Barney,
    Seems that the founding fathers understood what they wanted. But, I guess they were wrong and all of a sudden in the 20th century our government got it right and well…out with God and that Jesus and in with secularism, humanism and socialism.
    ———————-

    Les,
    I challenge you to reread the passages of Scripture that you are posting. I believe you are taking them out of context. Specifically 2 Chronicles 7:14, which is a verse for the nation of Israel, not America, not even the Church.

    Also, we as Christians are not bound by the Sabbath, especially since 90% of Christians worship on the Lord’s day(Sunday) and not the 7th day or Jewish Sabbath. Was it not Jesus’ disciples that picked ears of corn on the Sabbath and the Pharisees had a hissy fit? Yet, did Jesus say “Peter, it is unholy for you to farm on Saturday(Sabbath)! Woe to you Peter!”?

    I do agree that it is for the most part, the Churchs fault as to the shape of America at this time. Not because we are not putting godly men in office, but because we are keeping Christ confined to the 4 walls of a building on one day of the week. The rest of the week we live as humanists not daring to share Christ with others for fear of reproach. Yet, our Chinese brethren are showing us soft American Christians what it truly means to die to self and to live in Christ.

    Maybe we do need a dose of persecution? Maybe we do need some “hot coals” under our feet to get us going for Christ? If it takes McCain or Obama as president to wake the Church up, then so be it. We have been apathetic for too long in this nation. Seems the humanists, secularists, etc. know that the Church has cowarded down and now they are ready to deal the death blow to the Church. But in spite of us, Christ has said that the gates of hell shall not prevail. Now, does that mean that hell will not infiltrate the Church or that the gates of hell will not be able to hold the Church back from infiltrating the culture and society?

  13. Les Helms said

    BOZO,

    I would challange you on your first two paragraphs, but I’ll have to do that off company time. As to your ? on the Gates of Hell. Gates are stationary. This is a picture of the Church going forth with the Gospel and tearing down the gates of hell. If He said it’s going to happen, it’s going to happen. We may not see it in our lifetime. We can’t believe what we believe because of our experience and what we see going on around us.

    Let God be true and every man a liar.

  14. Anonymous said

    Barney
    Don’t you know that “wikipedia” is a flaming liberal resource? I discount anything claiming wikipedia as it’s resource as liberal bias.

  15. Barney said

    BOZO yearns to return to the days when he could, in his glorious fundamentalist Christian utopia, own slaves, deny women and minorities basic human rights, use the resources of the government to evangelize the world, conquer territory for the glory of Jesus and force elected officials to swear fealty to his religion.

    Glory Be! If only…

  16. F. L. A. said

    Are you sure Barney?
    Perhaps you are just reading too much into his posts.

  17. Barney said

    Just illustrating that the founding fathers gave us those bad things as well as the good. It is secular system of laws that allowed us to overcome most of the bad stuff.

  18. Les Helms said

    Barney,

    You are sadley mistaken.

  19. F. L. A. said

    Quite right Barney. Very few Americans living today I believe, would put up with living under the puritanical social, theological, and moral standards of the 1600’s.

  20. Alex said

    He does raise a good question. Why would you support scripture about homosexuality being wrong, but ignore scripture allowing slavery in the same book?

  21. Barney said

    I know that BOZO isn’t actually yearning for any of that stuff, and I apologize for insulting him. I get hasty with the insults.

    Best,
    Barney

  22. Les Helms said

    F.L.A
    You are quite right, they wouldn’t, and that is to our shame. The puritanical standards are nothing more than God’s standards written out in His Holy word and until we get back to living by His word we can expect His Judgement to be upon us. Does God change because Americans don’t want His Law anymore? What Pride!! Are we God? Do we set the standards or does He?

    Proverbs 16:25
    There is a way which seems right to a man,But its end is the way of death.

  23. BOZO bozarth said

    Alex,
    I’m gonna hold you to task. Can you provide the verses that says God wants slavery and decrees it?

    For that matter, can you provide the verses where God condemns homosexuality?
    ——-

    Barney,
    I wasn’t offended one bit 🙂

  24. F. L. A. said

    I am hungry death, Mr.Helms.

  25. BOZO Bozarth said

    F.L.A.,
    Got any recommendations for reading material on your religion?

    Everyone knows what we believe, but what do you believe?

    Also, Christians don’t fear death. Our God has defeated it. Jesus Christ lives and is very much alive.

    “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” John 14:6

    Everyone has “religion” in one shape or another. The atheist is religious, his god is man. But what sets Christians apart from all others is the fact that Jesus Christ died, was buried, and rose again the 3rd day.

    No matter how much one fights against that, it cannot be destroyed. Not even by false charges aired on Discovery channel and History channel.

  26. John said

    Ferox is out hunting for the evening. You will have to wait until sometime tomorrow for a reply.

  27. Boris said

    Bozo,
    Male homosexuality was forbidden by Mosaic Law (Lev:22; 20:13). Slavery laws appear in Ex 12:44-48; 21:1-11, 20-21, 26-27; Lev 25:39-55; Deut 15:12-18; 16:11, 14; 23:15-16.

    FYI Atheists are NOT religious. They don’t need strength in numbers to maintain their lack of beliefs. So they don’t feel the need to get together once a week with other atheists and sing hymns and praise whatever, I guess themselves, according to you. Religions all revolve around some sort of belief in the supernatural and most also include a belief in a variety of magical beings with magical powers. Atheism is a lack of belief in any of that nonsense.

  28. BOZO Bozarth said

    Boris,
    Glad you putting that “evil” bible to use 😉

    say what you want, atheism is a religion. Atheism emphatically says there is no deity. For that to be a true statement would mean that the atheist would have to visit every nook and cranny in the known universe, ah heck, just visit every place on this planet, to verify that there is no God. Otherwise, God doesn’t believe in atheists and neither do I 🙂

    Have a great weekend.

  29. John said

    Boris, many Fundi Christians have a special definition of the word “religion”. You will here them say, “Christianity isn’t a religion, religion is man-made. Christianity is a relationship with Jesus, not a religion….”and so on, and so forth.You see, you, me, Mormons, Buddhists, everybody with what they judge as a conflicting view in regards to theology is “religious”. But theyas Christians are not, because they are “true believers”[winkwink]. This is why you have to read between the lines to understand. Just ask Maz or some other similar soul about it.

  30. Boris said

    Bozo,
    If atheism was a religion then atheists should be getting some sort of tax exemption for their “religion.” But we don’t. Also atheism is simply a lack of belief in God, a denial of what all people say about all Gods. Atheists don’t necessarily say there is no God but that they just don’t believe there is. It is the believer who would have to visit every nook and cranny in the known universe, ah heck, just visit every place on this planet, to verify that there actually IS a God. Why do creationists always use arguments that can so easily be used to disprove their own claims?

  31. ADB said

    John,
    One of my criticisms of more “fundamentalist” Christians is that they say that Christianity isn’t a religion but a relationship, while actually living something else. One trap that fundamentalists fall into is setting up litmus tests of what a true Christian is- young earth creationism, pre-trib and pre-millenianism, just to mention a couple of things that leave out lots of other believers. Once this litmus test is set up the whole relationship business gets tossed and our faith becomes too much a matter of mental assent to the correct set of beliefs. Bear in mind that my critique is “intra-mural” so to speak. Fundamentalists are Christians as I am, they are conservative as I am, but my basic approach to the faith is different from them.

    Best Wishes

  32. Boris said

    Bozo,
    If atheism is a religion then health is a disease.

  33. BOZO Bozarth said

    John,
    No reading between the lines is needed. The major difference between a Christian and any others is that we claim our God to be alive and well. Not only do we claim it, but we have Scripture and outside sources to verify that indeed our God(Jesus Christ) did at least live and walk this earth. Which is more than can be said about pagan deities. We mention relationship with Christ, because no other religion can and does claim that their god is involved in the believers life.

    ————–

    Boris,
    I’m one Christian that thinks Churches should not be tax exempt.
    Circular reasoning doesn’t justify the atheists claim of no deity. We say that the whole creation reflects the handiwork of the designer. Even evolutionists say that the universe has “evolved” so much that it does give the impression of a design…….but that can’t be because there is no God!!

    ————-

    ADB,
    You are concluding that “fundamentalism” is in error. Are there not tenants of faith that we as Christians should be able to hold as absolute truth? One being that believers are now reconciled to God through Christ, thereby we do indeed have a relationship with our God? I don’t know about you, but my relationship to God is built on truth. I believe His word, the Bible to be true. The litmus test as to whether we include one as a Christian or not is the Scriptures. I consider you a Christian, as I’ve said earlier. I do not consider,say the Pope a Christian. I don’t consider John nor Boris a Christian. Doesn’t make me a fundamentalist extremist, just a Christian following the Scriptures.

  34. ADB said

    Bozo,

    I don’t know if you consider yourself to be a “fundamentalist,” and was not intending my comments toward you. I was making a general observation based upon experiences with fundamentalists. I do agree that there are tenets of the faith that are non-negotiable, but in my experience fundamentalists have a tendancy to enjoy throwing folks under the bus. What happens is that they do set up false litmus tests for the faith, so that Christianity becomes merely a matter of checking off the boxes for mental assent to a set of doctrines- pre-trib, pre-mil (check), YEC (check), adult baptism (check). Yep, you’re a Christian. Conversely, anyone who doubts those things is automatically bound straight for Hell, don’t pass Go, don’t collect $200. (This is tongue and cheek of course). Just for clarification I do think that there is precious little biblical support for the rapture doctrine. Do believe that the vast majority of the church that has practiced infant baptism over the centuries have been correct. And I do not believe the writer of Genesis intended to teach us how old the earth is. This is not based upon science at all, but from my own careful study of Genesis 1-2. I do agree that there are tenets of the faith that are non-negotiable, including bodily resurrection, virgin birth, atonement for sin, etc. I also believe that the scriptures are inerrent in their original manuscripts in all that they affirm, nearly word for word what the Chicago Statement of Inerrancy held 25 years ago.

    Best Wishes

  35. F. L. A. said

    Bozo, in regards to post#25, I am a secretive person and will not share with you everything[you would not believe all of it anyway], but that said, what exactly do you want to know about? Be specific.

  36. John said

    Thank you for your thoughts ADB. Too many people try too hard building walls instead of bridges.
    “Let brotherly love continue. Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: For thereby some have entertained angles unawares.”-Hebrews13:1-2
    “Have we not all one father?hath not one God created us?”-Malachi2:10
    “We must learn to live together as brothers, or perish together as fools.”-Martin Luther King Junior,1964

    Bozo, so you claim that your God is alive and well; goody for you.We pagans don’t feel it necessary to claim such things.
    So you think that you can verify that Jesus lived and walked this earth. So??? We don’t have any problem with that.
    “Which is more than can be said about pagan deities.”-Bozo
    Oh? You say this as if you think such a thing can be confirmed[knowing smile]. Well then, prove it, if you think that you can.
    And then you say…”We mention relationship with Christ, because no other religion[are you using this term as I mentioned it within post#25?] can and does claim that their god[I don’t use a lower case g when I write of the Christian God] is involved in the believers life.”
    Not involved in the believers life? What in the world are you talking about? Have you never studied up on Pagan theology/mythology?

  37. Boris said

    ADB you said “I also believe that the scriptures are inerrent in their original manuscripts in all that they affirm, nearly word for word what the Chicago Statement of Inerrancy held 25 years ago.”

    Since we don’t have anything even close to being an original manuscript for the “scriptures” as you people love to call your particular religion’s fairy tales, on what basis to you believe they are inerrant? All we have is copies of copies of copies of copies of copies that were made centuries after there were any originals. Almost all of these copies are different from any other copies they are compared to. Granted many of the differences are minor but many more are not. This is just another doctrine that must be blindly accepted so that a bunch of theological mumbo jumbo can also be blindly accepted. The house of cards you people have built for yourselves crumbles if you tug on any of the dogma that supports it.

  38. Jeff42 said

    The Bible is 98 percent textually pure. Through all the copying of the Biblical manuscripts of the entire Bible, only 1% has any question about it. Nothing in all of the ancient writings of the entire world approaches the accuracy of the biblical documents.
    The 1 percent that is in question does not affect doctrine. The areas of interest are called variants and they consist mainly in variations of wording and spelling.
    The NT has over 5000 supporting Greek manuscripts existing today with another 20,000 manuscripts in other languages. Some of the manuscript evidence dates to within 100 years of the original writing. There is less than a 1% textual variation in the NT manuscripts.

  39. Boris said

    Jeff, I wouldn’t care how “textually pure” or whatever the Bible is. None of that makes a word of it historically accurate. No historical document from the ancient world is written anything like the Bible is. Homer and rest of the mythology and fiction from the ancient world is written exactly in the style the Bible is. Historians of the day did not include word for word dialog between two or more people or a god, moralizing, bad poetry and tales of the supernatural in their historical documents.

  40. Jeff42 said

    Boris,

    If there’s one thing I’ve learned from reading your posts, it’s that you are not open to evidence that is contrary to your belief system. So, it doesn’t strike me as odd that you would say that you don’t care how textually pure the Bible is. You are fully committed to a naturalistic mindset and nothing I say will be able to change that. May God have mercy on your soul.

    As to the historicity of the Bible, especially the New Testament, you are either going to have to throw out all the other ancient historical documents, or stop using a double standard when critiquing the NT. Just because a manuscript reports something that disagrees with your worldview, that doesn’t necessarily mean that it is in error. You could be wrong and in need of a different outlook (which I think is the case). Many people who are more qualified than you have admitted the historical reliability of the NT documents, and not all of them were Christians. Take archaeologist Sir William Ramsay for example, he wrote that “Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trusworthy…[he] should be placed along with the very greatest of historians.” Professor of classics at Auckland University, E.M. Blaiklock, concurs: “Luke is a consummate historian, to be ranked in his own right with the great writers of the Greeks.” I don’t expect this to change your mind, I simply quote them for the benefit of others. You and I will agree to disagree on this one since I must shortly leave for a week long intensive class on Islam.

    I want to end this on a note of respect. Boris, I think you are a very intelligent man. There have been times when I was very impressed with your presentation of your case. I don’t agree with you, but I tip my hat to your God-given intellect. I pray that the Lord opens your heart to what he has to say to you in His Word. I truly hold no ill feeling toward you.

    must go now,
    good day.

  41. Boris said

    Jeff you said: As to the historicity of the Bible, especially the New Testament, you are either going to have to throw out all the other ancient historical documents, or stop using a double standard when critiquing the NT.

    Boris says: You are falsely labeling the New Testament literature as historical documents. The Gospels are not accounts of anything but fiction. It is Christians who apply a double standard when reading the Gospels. If any of the stories in the Gospels were not in the Bible but found elsewhere Christians would not believe them. But because they are in the Bible these stories with all the elements of fiction are taken as historical. Again no history is written with dialog, moralizing, bad poetry and tales of magical happenings and wandering wonder workers.

  42. Jeff42 said

    A host of credentialed experts in the field disagree with your blanket assessment (a couple of which are quoted above). I must get ready to leave so, again, we will have to agree to disagree.

  43. F. L. A. said

    Boris, it is not unreasonable to believe that “historians”[make of the label what thy will] of foreign lands and cultures in the ancient world commonly may have ……embellished actual events, or recorder history or events and personalities in a manor that is….contrary.. to the way that you think that it should have been recorded.

  44. mike said

    test

  45. ADB said

    Jeff42, as usual your comments are well-considered. Been away a couple of days so thanks for responding to these questions.

  46. Jackie said

    Stu,

    The bible says to, “acknowledge God in all our ways and He Will direct our path.” Our problem is that we only go to God, for certian (spiritual)things, and not everything. Another problem with the church is that we let our denomination define us. It sadden me to see the wide variety of division within the church. There’s only ONE THURTH, however it’s being taugth 10 different ways. The church now-a-days are not teaching Christ and salvation, but rather tradition, and customs. It’s no wonder why no one can answer you as to “Whats the definition of a true Christian”?
    Whith all that being said, I am not a Christian,and dont want to be assoicated with people who call themselves that, yet live there life so loosely and close to the edge to hell, while leading others with them. I am rather a follower of Christ. It is God that defines me, his advice that leads me, and his spirit that keeps me.
    Jackie Woodle

  47. Boris said

    FLA, History is a Greek word ‘istoria’ meaning ‘enquiry, research’. Herodotus was the first historian we know of to be deeply skeptical about accounts of the past. Biblical narratives and Babylonian records, for example, never ask questions or admit doubts or offer more than a single version of events. Herodotus is always saying ‘I don’t believe this’, ‘this smells fishy to me’, ‘there are three accounts of this event and I find it very difficult to decide which is true’.

    Also, he is deeply affected by Greek rationalistic tendencies. Though he did see a broad divinely controlled pattern to the overall direction of events, his impulse is typically Greek – to try to explain human behavior in human terms without recourse to the supernatural.

    There was no such thing as history until Herodotus invented it. The biblical authors would not have understood ours or even Herodotus’ definition of history. There simply was no way to record history in many parts of the world in the times the Bible was written. Palestine was one of those very backward places.

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