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Is the “Gift” of Prophecy for today?

Posted by truthtalklive on June 4, 2008

Todays guest: Pastor Andre Vaynol www.quiettime.co.za  who leads prophetic and healing crusades in South Africa . Also on the program today :Evangelist and Founder of In His Presence Global Ministries Inc. www.donica.org

Related Articles:
http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/1990/716_The_Authority_and_Nature_of_the_Gift_of_Prophecy/
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-13717.html
http://www.spirithome.com/modproph.html

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49 Responses to “Is the “Gift” of Prophecy for today?”

  1. Zerxil said

    Wow, heard this show & nearly fell out of my chair. Hey people (I use that term loosely:)) do you think we should apologize to the Indians. What was the name of that book, the one listing the US’ broken promises with them?

  2. John said

    There are not very many of them left to apologize to, Zerxil.

  3. Zerxil said

    My step mother is one (Indian, the native American kind). I really would like the title. John did you hear about when the Indians got the multi million dollar commercial complex when they proved it was built on land that was given to them through a treaty? My favorite was when some enterprising people thought they where really smart when they built a casino on Indian land.

  4. Noel Fries said

    I heard Pastor Andre Vaynol on TruthTalkLive on 1030 AM in Raleigh.
    I was very interested in his talk on the ‘Trail of Tears’ in NC to Oklahoma in the late 1800’s. I am gong to check out the feeds you said to follow the path from Prophecy. I would like to connect to Andre site in South Africa and follow this for a while. Noel

  5. Zerxil said

    its at the top or you can click http://www.quiettime.co.za

  6. John said

    The Native Americans that I’ve known down here are at least as poor or poorer as I am, Zerxil.

  7. Zerxil said

    Yeah, here too. I guess we owe them alot more than just to apologize.

  8. Maz said

    I didn’t hear the programme so I don’t know what was said, but so far the question of the ‘gift’ of prophecy doesn’t seem to have been addressed.
    I am very skeptical about some people that call themselves prophets, altho I do believe some Christians can speak prophetically. But as to the ‘gift’ of prophecy, I have used it on occassion (I say ‘I have’, but it is God that wants to speak to us by His Spirit in us) but I would not call myself a prophet, and I speak only as I am moved by the Holy Spirit.

  9. profitpaul said

    A friend of mine said that he doubted that there were any true prophets left today.

    This is how you can prove a prophet, according to Scripture – A person is a prophet ONLY if every word of their “prophecy” is 100% accurate. If their prophecy fails in the slightest part, they are to be marked as a false prophet.

    That being said, this is for those claiming to be prophets of God/Jesus Christ.

    There are “prophets” prophesying on behalf of their gods, ie Satan. Yet, their prophesies would go against Scripture.

    All that these self-proclaimed prophets of today speak on seems to be prosperity and healing. Yet, the prophets in the Scriptures spoke on judgement, repentance, and the coming Messiah. The apostles spoke on repentance, reconciliation, and the return of the Messiah for His people.

    As for the native Americans, I didn’t hear the show so I can’t comment on what was said. Since I have cherokee ancestry and have been to the Cherokee reserve in the NC mountains, I feel that America does not owe an apology to native Americans. No more than America owes an apology to decendants of African slaves. Whether we agree with what was done to them in the past or not(and I do not agree with it) is irrelevant. No one of African decent that I know wants to go back to the African country of origin and live as their relatives do. Our poverty in America is wealth to those in African nations. Bill Cosby told his “African-American” listeners to stop blaming others and get out and do for your self. The same would be true for my native American relatives. Quit with the blame game and live as an American. You are in the greatest nation on earth. Take advantage of the oportunities that are available to you. Make a difference.

  10. Maz said

    What I can’t understand is when so called prophets within the Church, particularly in America, are still able to continue with their so called prophetic ministry even though some if not all of their prophesies have failed to come to pass. This is a true test of a Prophet, yet there are even well known Christian leaders who seem to ignore this scriptural qualification and still listen to them and have them in their Churches. There is too much ‘experience’ and ‘supernatural happenings’ going on in the Church and the Word of God is not being preached as it should be.

  11. profitpaul said

    There are at least three ways of looking at the Scriptures. Sadly the orthodox way, Inerrant/Inspired/Accurate, etc. is not taught nor believed in most American churches today.

    Just as in American society, truth has become relative and based on emotion and personal experience. The Scriptures are interpreted by my personal background, by my feelings, by my desires. Instead of letting the Scripture interpret Scripture and interpret my feelings and my desires.

    Most churches have become white washed tombs filled with people who have itching ears.

    Heck, just watch TCT or TBN for 30 minutes. And that is what the world sees as Christian “leadership”. My how wrong that is!!

  12. Maz said

    I gave up watching TBN some time ago. Thankfully I have learnt not to get carried away with all the hype and ‘spirituality’ that appears on the screen. That is not to say I don’t love to ‘feel’ the moving of the Spirit in a service, I am blessed almost every week when I go to the Pentecostal Church nearly half an hours drive away from where I live. It is worth the drive. There isn’t a Church in my town I am atall comfortable with spiritually. Though I do attend one or two on the odd occassion and have Christian friends there. But I want a Home where I belong. The Pastor is a good preacher and we have a good worship team. The fellowship is great.
    But TBN is not the only Christian Channel that is showing ministry that are suspect on the scriptures aswell as other things. In these days of so called ‘Revival’ ( and there seems to be one round every corner!) we really need to be careful. We need to be discerning.
    If anything else is taking the place of the Word of God then it can’t be right.

  13. abc's said

    I have always wondered about things like this. How does one discern what teachings are epistemologically valid when the scripture provides no method for distinction between true and false propositions.
    What I mean to say is: Why would some preachers/churches not “feel” sound to a person, while the rest of the congregation “feels” that it is accurate and can back it up with scripture?

  14. Maz said

    Abc’s: You can’t do it…..without the leading and discernment of the Holy Spirit that dwells in you if you are a born again Christian. The Bible tells us that He, the Spirit, will guide us into all truth. We have to trust God to lead us. Regular reading and study of the Word is crucial, plus ofcourse prayer, to know Gods will. There will always be people who get drawn away into error, whether it’s false teaching within the Church or getting involved in a cult. The devil doesn’t want people to know the truth. But Jesus said, ”You shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free”. Jesus is the Truth. So we need to know Him above all.

  15. abc's said

    I appreciate the response, but that doesn’t really answer my question. Am I really to believe that once I study the bible, and pray for an answer, that the one I receive is the correct one while everyone else with a different opinion is wrong? I have a hard time getting my head around that. I have conversations with a friend and we frequently have different opinions, especially dealing with the trinity.

  16. Maz said

    Opinions are one thing Abc’s but scriptural truth is another. There are doctrines that some people will be wrong about and some right, there is no in between. What we have to do is trust the Lord to guide us into right doctrine. I have Christian friends who I know love the Lord but they believe differently about several things including Calvinism, Replacement Theology and when the Second Coming is and when the Millenium will be. I believe I am right in what I believe, they believe they are right. But right or wrong I do not believe that will make any difference to their salvation as such. It is when you have Pastors that teach things that aren’t in the Word atall, and I’v heard some weird teachings. If you know the Word you have more chance of knowing whether someone is teaching truth or not. It’s also very important to study, as the Word tells us to, so we are ‘fully furnished’ as the KJV says.
    I don’t know if this helps.
    But I know that the Trinity is a Biblical doctrine. God is triune, it is taught in the Word, I have studied all those arguments that the J.W’s bring up so I know the scriptures on their erroneous teachings about who Jesus is, the Holy Spirit is, and Who the Father is….GOD, three in One. If they don’t accept Jesus as God the Son then they have a problem with the Truth right there. Knowing Who Jesus is and what He has done on the cross is crucial to salvation.

  17. abc's said

    But if all scripture is the truth and useful for teaching, why is there so much to disagree on? Why aren’t all things self evident? I struggle with this. The only thing that really seems to answer the question and to give me peace is that it just isn’t true.

  18. F. L. A. said

    What, exactly, just isn’t true Abc’s? All of it? Everything?

    It also does not help that there are so many versions of Christian truth, does it?

  19. Maz said

    The problem is that we have an enemy, he is the one that wants to deceive you. He will put thoughts into your mind. You already have some which he is quite happy for you to have. If there is so much division in the Church then maybe none of it is true. He is quite happy for you to think that way.
    False teachers also are not only deceivers but deceived themselves. No one goes into a cult or teaches falsely knowing it’s false, they really truly believe it is true. I don’t have a problem with that like you, but I do wonder why people can’t see the truth even when you show them in black and white. I’v had miriads of discussions with J.W’s about the Trinity and Who Jesus is and no matter what scriptures I show them, they still don’t see it, because they have been so indoctrinated that they only believe what the Watchtower have taught them. In other words they have put their trust in an organisation but not in Christ. You cannot fully trust anyone, God is the only one who is infallible, and everything you are taught must measure up to the Scriptures. You must check everything yourself, just as the Bereans were spoken of by Paul as noble because they checked out everything Paul taught.
    The Bible tells us that the devil blinds minds, he can sow doubt into peoples minds, sometimes by other people, sometimes we open ouselves up to it.
    And being that we are in the Last Days he is doing more to create chaos even within the Church. We have to know our Word or we can get drawn away by all sorts of erroneous ideas.
    Pray always, the Bible says, that you enter not into temptation. It should be a way of life.

  20. abc's said

    “No one goes into a cult or teaches falsely knowing it’s false, they really truly believe it is true.”

    This is exactly my point. People that read the bible and pray receive their answer and then they join a cult, or start a new religion, or begin a new denomination.

    How do we determine what is true and what is false? Scripture alone cannot be used because even Jews, Catholics and Protestants disagree on major themes within the bible. They can debate amongst themselves using the exact same passages.

    So the next obvious thing would be to check the validity of the stories. Was the world created in 7 days a few thousand years ago? If we can trust the evidence that presents itself to us in the laws of nature, then obviously the world is much older than that. Was there a worldwide flood that killed off all of life a few thousand years ago? No, there is no evidence for that.

    Was the world created to appear that none of these things happened? The bible doesn’t say that, and I don’t think God would try to deceive us.

    If I try to move on to the New Testament I can plainly see that Jesus was a believer in every single word of the Old Testament, which is not the truth about the world.

    So where do I go from here? The answer is that it isn’t true. At least not all of it. If all of it isn’t true then how can we believe in any of it?

  21. F. L. A. said

    Maz, did you get that from a young man on a radio sermon this afternoon? You used his same words.If so, I heard that show too.Just wondering.

  22. F. L. A. said

    Abc’s, some of it MAY be true though. The tricky part for the one who studies theology is in trying to determine which may be which. A goodly amount of it will eventually have to be settled as a matter of personal faith.
    Sometimes I think that Christians put way to much effort into nitpicking over all of the little details in the stories, which leads to arguing and division, and in time perhaps holy war. Perhaps if they just stuck with the simple basics, like just following the “Golden Rule”, John 3:16, and the commandments, and then agreeing not to take things so seriously in every way, things wouldn’t be in such a mess for them.And everything else might just……work it’s self out eventually. You sound as if you may have doubt. As long as you do, you’ve still got a good chance at Christian salvation, if that’s what you want. But you’ll have to want it, for it to work.
    Is that what you want?

  23. Maz said

    F.L.A: No I didn’t hear those words from anyone…but it could have come from the same Person.

    Abc’s: To be honest I can’t tell you what you really want to know because it is between you and God. All I can say again is that the Bible is our final authority on truth and if we pray for guidance in what it says the Spirit will help us to know the truth as we read and study the Word. I have a witness within me when I hear someone preaching if they go off the Word into something that is extraBiblical….an idea that isn’t upheld by scripture.
    I think the best thing anyone can do is get right with God, ask Jesus Christ to come into their life and believe by faith that God will guide and protect them. The Psalms are full of Davids prayers to God to guide him, to show him the right paths, to protect him from evil. If we pray for these things, God is faithful to keep us as long as we stay in His Word and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal what God is saying there.
    If we weren’t to take some of the things in the Bible seriously as F.L.A suggested then God would not have put them in there. Every word of God is important. 2 Tim: 3 v 16 says that ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be thoroughly furnished to all good works. If we can’t believe Genesis then how can we say we believe the rest of the Bible? We have to believe it all because it was ALL inspired by God, and God never lies. If He said He created the heavens and the earth in six days, then that is what He did and evolution is wrong. I put my faith in God, not someones ideas and theories of how they think it all came to be.

  24. Maz said

    I have to go now, but will be back tomorrow. Good night!

  25. F. L. A. said

    Oh yeah Maz?

    2nd Kings18:27

    2nd Kings6.28-29

    Mica1:8

    Isaiah16:11

    Explain how these Bible verses are helpful and relevant for you as a Christian, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God should be thoroughly furnished to all good works.

  26. Anonymous said

    “I put my faith in God, not someones ideas and theories of how they think it all came to be.”

    But how do we know it’s God speaking to us? How do we know that the Bible is God’s word if it is not the truth?

  27. Zerxil said

    2nd Kings 6:25 And there was a great famine in Samaria: and, behold, they besieged it, until an ass’s head was sold for fourscore pieces of silver, and the fourth part of a cab of dove’s dung for five pieces of silver.

    2nd Kings 6:26 And as the king of Israel was passing by upon the wall, there cried a woman unto him, saying, Help, my lord, O king.

    2nd Kings 6:27 And he said, If the LORD do not help thee, whence shall I help thee? out of the barnfloor, or out of the winepress?

    2nd Kings 6:28 And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow.

    2nd Kings 6:29 So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.

    2nd Kings 6:30 And it came to pass, when the king heard the words of the woman, that he rent his clothes; and he passed by upon the wall, and the people looked, and, behold, he had sackcloth within upon his flesh.

  28. John said

    Faith, Anonymous? Perhaps as long as the…inspiration and/or advice condones acts of goodness, selfless charity, peaceful relations among others, grace, etc. etc. one can carefully assume that it is coming from GOD?
    While on the other hand, if the advice condones/orders the stockpiling of weapons, cutting off oneself from family, friends, and all others who are not “chosen”, the raising of a genetically pure master-race, bringing guns into school to teach others a lesson, etc. etc. THEN it’s time to be worried!
    I can’t wait to see Maz’s reply to post#25[grin].

  29. Zerxil said

    SO THE KING, morned that she killed her child to eat. that isn’t a good idea?

    2nd Kings 18:23 Now therefore, I pray thee, give pledges to my lord the king of Assyria, and I will deliver thee two thousand horses, if thou be able on thy part to set riders upon them.

    2nd Kings 18:24 How then wilt thou turn away the face of one captain of the least of my master’s servants, and put thy trust on Egypt for chariots and for horsemen?

    2nd Kings 18:25 Am I now come up without the LORD against this place to destroy it? The LORD said to me, Go up against this land, and destroy it.

    2nd Kings 18:26 Then said Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, and Shebna, and Joah, unto Rabshakeh, Speak, I pray thee, to thy servants in the Syrian language; for we understand it: and talk not with us in the Jews’ language in the ears of the people that are on the wall.

    2nd Kings 18:27 But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

    2nd Kings 18:28 Then Rabshakeh stood and cried with a loud voice in the Jews’ language, and spake, saying, Hear the word of the great king, the king of Assyria:

    2nd Kings 18:29 Thus saith the king, Let not Hezekiah deceive you: for he shall not be able to deliver you out of his hand:

    2nd Kings 18:30 Neither let Hezekiah make you trust in the LORD, saying, The LORD will surely deliver us, and this city shall not be delivered into the hand of the king of Assyria.

    2nd Kings 18:31 Hearken not to Hezekiah: for thus saith the king of Assyria, Make an agreement with me by a present, and come out to me, and then eat ye every man of his own vine, and every one of his fig tree, and drink ye every one the waters of his cistern:

    You don’t have to eat your own wastes, pay tribute to me. says the messanger of the king of assyria.

  30. Zerxil said

    We have heard of the pride of Moab; he is very proud: even of his haughtiness, and his pride, and his wrath: but his lies shall not be so.

    7 Therefore shall Moab howl for Moab, every one shall howl: for the foundations of Kirhareseth shall ye mourn; surely they are stricken.

    8 For the fields of Heshbon languish, and the vine of Sibmah: the lords of the heathen have broken down the principal plants thereof, they are come even unto Jazer, they wandered through the wilderness: her branches are stretched out, they are gone over the sea.

    9 Therefore I will bewail with the weeping of Jazer the vine of Sibmah: I will water thee with my tears, O Heshbon, and Elealeh: for the shouting for thy summer fruits and for thy harvest is fallen.

    10 And gladness is taken away, and joy out of the plentiful field; and in the vineyards there shall be no singing, neither shall there be shouting: the treaders shall tread out no wine in their presses; I have made their vintage shouting to cease.

    11 Wherefore my bowels shall sound like an harp for Moab, and mine inward parts for Kirharesh.

    12 And it shall come to pass, when it is seen that Moab is weary on the high place, that he shall come to his sanctuary to pray; but he shall not prevail.

    lol, Kirharesh is a large piece of crap.

  31. Zerxil said

    Hear, O peoples, all of you;
    Listen, O earth and all it contains,
    And let the Lord GOD be a witness against you,
    The Lord from His holy temple.
    3 For behold, the LORD is coming forth from His place.
    He will come down and tread on the high places of the earth.
    4 The mountains will melt under Him
    And the valleys will be split,
    Like wax before the fire,
    Like water poured down a steep place.
    5 All this is for the rebellion of Jacob
    And for the sins of the house of Israel.
    What is the rebellion of Jacob?
    Is it not Samaria?
    What is the high place of Judah?
    Is it not Jerusalem?
    6 For I will make Samaria a heap of ruins in the open country,
    Planting places for a vineyard.
    I will pour her stones down into the valley
    And will lay bare her foundations.
    7 All of her idols will be smashed,
    All of her earnings will be burned with fire
    And all of her images I will make desolate,
    For she collected them from a harlot’s earnings,
    And to the earnings of a harlot they will return.
    8 Because of this I must lament and wail,
    I must go barefoot and naked;
    I must make a lament like the jackals
    And a mourning like the ostriches.

    Even a house of Israel will be judged.

  32. Zerxil said

    28 whats wrong with this?

    If the advice condones/orders the stockpiling of weapons

  33. Maz said

    #25, F.L.A: You need to read these scriptures in context….which is what I’v been told to do before now. Explain the last three? We can pick out isolated scriptures all day but unless you know the story behind them you won’t get the truth.

    Zerxil: You’ve said it all for me, thanks.

    #26, By the Spirit that is within us. If we are open to Gods Spirit and actually listen.

  34. Maz said

    Abc’s: Here is a list of scriptures that may help.
    ”Your Word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path”. Psalm 119 v 105.

    ”The words that I speak to you, they are spirit, and they are life.” John 6 v 63b

    ”Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth.” 2 Tim: 2 v 15.

    ”And be not conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God.” Rom: 12 v 2. You renew your mid by reading and studying the Word.

    ”For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand…” Eph: 6 v 12-13. Read down to verse 17 for the full armour, which includes the helmet of salvation for your mind and the Word of God which is your sword.

  35. F. L. A. said

    Of course you could also just choose another theology and it’s deity/deities to follow[there’s a HUGE selection to chose from, you know]. Or just remain an Agnostic or Atheistic. Just make sure in the end that it’s YOUR choice. Don’t ever let anyone else make it for you.

  36. b-man said

    I’m the first caller on this day’s show. Here’s the question, why does this man from Africa feel like God wants him to go and make restitution with these Indians? What’s so different about him and all the other Christians in that state? Doesn’t God want everyone to repent and be saved? The best way to make restitution with anybody is to preach the Gospel to them, they repent, believe, and then, like Nicodemus did, he goes and makes things better with anybody he had wronged in the past. Also, when a person is Born Again, they are a new creature, when they study the Bible, they will see that holding a grudge against someone is a sin, God will take care of people on judgment day, vengeance is God’s! It’s not our job to get even with people. This guest used some Scripture in the old testament to back up what he’s doing. If that’s the case, then why don’t we use that as an example and go make things better with the Indians, or anybody for that matter? My point is that if it’s already in the Bible, then why not just use that text to go and make things better, why did this guy have to have a “prophecy” or a “dream” to do what the Bible already says we’re to do? I don’t know the guest, not questioning if he’s a Christian or not, but what I am questioning is whether or not what he’s doing is legit. God has already given us everything we need in the Bible (2 Tim) we don’t need people claiming to be hearing from the Holy Spirit to tell us what we already know. The guest also said that in the end days men will dream dreams and prophecy, well, how does he know it’s the “end times” in which the Bible talks about? Nobobdy but God knows that, right? I would like to know if any of this mans prophecies have not come true, if they have not, then we can’t trust him, I don’t trust him anyways, I trust the Bible. The Bible says that the devil masquerades as an angel of light, this means the devil can do some of the signs and wonders or at least the appearance of them. Remember the Pharoah and Moses, remember the rod turning into a snake and vice versa? Pharoah’s men could do some of the same things that Moses could up to a point. People are so caught up in these so-called “signs and wonders” that they’re not worried about the souls of people. They’d rather see some guy supposedly “prophecy” or “heal” someone than see a soul saved for the Glory of God. Don’t believe me? Just watch these people, they don’t give a care about souls, just the show. That’s my 2 cents, I will be away from the computer for a day or two so if you reply, please be patient.

    One question for Stew, why do you have these people on your show? It’s called TRUTH talk Live, if you’re talking about Truth, then YOU should be saying whether or not it’s legit, don’t leave it up to the listeners! Explain using Scriptures whether or not it’s True or not, this goes for all your shows. It’s not good to just leave things up in the air at the end of the show, people could be confused. I say have your guests, get their point of view, examine it, then lay it on the line! I love you brother, I say that because I know you’re a smart dude and you love the Truth, just my thoughts. 🙂

  37. Maz said

    Yes F.L.A: Everyone has a choice, the problem today is there is such a lot to choose from…where do you start? Like a sweet shop with loads of goodies tempting you to ”eat me!” there are religions, cults and all sorts begging for our worship. But in the end, when all is said and done and life is over, there is only one truth and we must find it or spend the rest of eternity in regret and anguish over missing the truth the Real, True and Loving God offers today, that He sent His only begotten and beloved Son to suffer and die for our sins……the extent of His love was manifest on the cross. Can you really afford to reject it?

  38. Maz said

    There is a powerful force in forgiveness, even though it may be for the sins of the fathers before us, to forgive and be forgiven can provide a way for God to save. It’s not something done by everyone on a large scale like the Indians, but we should do it every day on the smaller scale, when we have hurt someone to ask their forgivesness, or if they have hurt us we need to forgive.
    I’v mentioned this on another blog, but a few hundred Christians met under a large tent in the middle of the Hampshire, English countryside some years ago, we met with Messianic Jews. There we had a time of repentence for what our forefathers did to the Jews when Britain refused to receive Jews escaping from the holocaust into Britain. It was a powerful thing and very moving. It created a love between us all. I love the Jewish people and I do have a heart for the North American Indians because of what they went through by the hands of supposed civilised and ‘Christian’ people. No doubt some of them did it in ignorance, but anyway, it is a healing thing to have this kind of repentence and forgiveness between peoples and individuals.

  39. Maz said

    B-man: That last post was for you. And I agree with your last statement. I don’t usually get to hear the shows but I read what people say and put my two cents in. Hopefully it will help someone.

  40. F. L. A. said

    YES.
    Also, if those claims of yours were true, and the ONLY truth, then you should be able to prove it, right?
    But how could you[ or anyone from any other theology] ever do such a thing? Hmmmmmmm?
    You may or may not recall our value of the sacrifice of Jesus and the theological benefits derived from the action.For us[in case you do not] it was an unecassary and unasked for gift.

    Rowboats to crocodiles, Maz.

  41. Maz said

    F.L.A: I would say that that would be a slap in the face of the Father who sent His Son just so we could be free from sin, judgment and hell. Like the taunters at the foot of the cross, or the careless Jews, egged on by the Jewish leaders crying ”Crucify!” ”Crucify!” You may not see it that way, and you may even be offended at the thot of being so accused. Nevertheless, with all that you say and all the unbelief you say it with, God still holds out His hand of love to you and says, ”Come to Me”. Amazing Love isn’t it? Even if you believe it’s not true, it would be an amazing love wouldn’t it? Wouldn’t you agree with that?

  42. Neil Landers said

    I heard June 7/08 broad cast and was a little disappointed that no one questioned this Paster (Andre) on what the bible said about generational curses. This man is quoting scripture very poorly. He quoted Jeremiah 38 in his talk but failed to mention Jeremiah 31. This chapter deals with the topic of generational curses, and is very clear. Verse 29 states that in the past there were generational curses but now that there is a new covenant this will not happen any more. Please read all this chapter to fully understand that this is for us as believers, this day has come that we live under the new covenant and the law is now writen in our hearts and the Holy Spirit now lives in us. Verse 30 says that “But every one shall die for his own iniquity; every man who eats the sour grapes; his teeth shall be set on edge”. Not the next generation!! I think Jesus said it best when he was on the road with the two believers, He said you FOOLS, didn’t the Christ have to suffer all these things. Jesus message was that we have to take all the scriptures and know them. Not just the ones that suit us. Please address this on your radio program I think that the people need to hear the real truth. Neil

  43. F. L. A. said

    It’s an amusing fantasy, but within your theology there is no place for me, save but as the roll of a villain[although I would be an awesome punisher of the wicked, but if in the end everyone is all peaceful and vegetarian, then I’d STILL be without place and purpose, and wouldn’t want to even be there anyway].This is according to YOUR rules, not mine. If I were there at the place and time that Jesus was tormented and murdered, then I would have tried to stop it, for my favorite food is the flesh of the wicked.I can only physically harm the wicked, you know[unless I get defensive]. But then you’d be out of a savior and your theology would not exist in it’s present form.I’m getting off track here.
    The point I’m trying to make is that we all have to be what we are. And what I am is incompatible with whatever you think that I could be in, or get from Christianity.
    In your theology, I am one of the “bad guys”, like poor John, assuming that you could even believe in me in the first place.

  44. Maz said

    F.L.A: It’s not according to MY rules, it’s according to GOD’s ‘rules’ written down for us in His Word. And it’s not MY theology, it is GODS TRUTH revealed in His Word.
    And the point is, that you don’t HAVE TO BE what you are, God didn’t make man to be the way he is now, He made him perfect in the beginning, but sin entered through rebellion against Gods Word. Adam and Eve went against what God said and reaped the consequencies. Eversince then, man has reaped the consequences of the original sin, sickness and death. But Jesus came to conquer death by dying for our sin and rising from the dead so that if we believe in Him, we can have eternal life with Him. ”Death has no dominion”. (That is spiritual death not physical) But…..you don’t want that…….well, F.L.A., Jesus is in the business of changing people and it IS possible for Him to change you. Prayer, they say, changes things…and people.
    And ofcourse what you are now IS incompatible with what you could be with God, that is why He needs to change people. It’s not ‘becoming a Christian’ (like you are joining some kind of goodie club), it is receiving a Person, Jesus, the Son of God and our Savior into your life and being born again by His Spirit. Christianity is NOT a religion, it is a PERSON.

  45. Maz said

    Neil: Yes, I have also got a problem with the teaching of generational curses. When Jesus died for me He freed me, not only from the power of sin but the curses of sin, past, present and future, by His blood He has redeemed us from the curse. Altho my father was a Freemason and some Christians told me I ought to pray about being released (or whatever) from the curses my father put on me and my family through the rituals etc. I didn’t see why, as Jesus had made me a new creature…OLD THINGS ARE PASSED AWAY, and ALL things have become NEW. All those curses were gone or Jesus didn’t free me completely. I think it is denying the total work Jesus did on the cross if Christians feel they are still somehow cursed by things done in the past, either by themselves (and if you have repented of past sin that is enough) or by someone else in your family.

  46. Zerxil said

    By the way Neil the ‘curse’ the guest was talking about was on the land not the people living there.

  47. steven moorehouse said

    I was just wondering if there is anyone that truly wants divine knowledge of GOD. or does anyone else truly have it as i do.im tired of holding it in.a modern day prophet…

  48. Maz said

    Steven: What do you mean by ‘divine knowledge’?

  49. eternalbloom said

    Yes, Gifts are for today.

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