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Why Should Christians Care About an Old Testament Feast?

Posted by truthtalklive on April 16, 2008

Passover is one of the seven feasts instituted by God as recorded in scripture. Moses, David and Jesus himself kept this feast. Today an look at the passover seder meal and why it has deep significance to every believer in Jesus Christ. Todays guest: Pastor David McGee of Calvary Chapel of the Triad. For our listeners in North Carolina, Calvary Chapel is hosting a Passover seder feast this Saturday evening at 6:00. details at www.reachthetriad.com

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52 Responses to “Why Should Christians Care About an Old Testament Feast?”

  1. THank u thank u …I love u. I am a Jew that came to the Lord Jesus Christ in 1998. I call myself a Messianic Jew not a Christian. I do because most Christians do not follow the beliefs or even know the real Jesus Christ or they would follow the old testament. They would follow what Jesus believed in the Old Testament and preached. Thank u for making my day. I love u guys.

  2. Ben Maulis said

    Paul wrote, “to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord…” (1 Cor.1:1) and this is what he wrote:

    “Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened [bread] of sincerity and truth.” 1 Cor. 5:7-8

  3. Tommy said

    Although I do believe that the Old Testament is a key component of the Christian faith and that understanding Old Testament history and prophecy is beneficial in every believer’s faith, I do not believe that a Christian is required to observe Old Testament customs and rituals which the Bible reveals as mere shadows or representations of heavenly things. However, it is important to realize that some Christians do feel that it is essential for them to observe certain customs, and in that case we should all refer to Romans chapter 14 and learn how Paul dealt with this matter.

  4. jAsOn said

    Actually Susan, Paul spoke to your exact statement when he reprimanded the Judaizers in the book of Galatians. It was the Judaizers who said to the Galatians, you “do not follow the beliefs or even know the real Jesus Christ or they would follow the old testament”, and Paul called the Galatians fools for listening to them.

  5. jAsOn said

    Paul in Romans 14 actually refers to the one who binds his own conscience in such a way as the “weaker brother”. It is very clear from Paul’s writings alone that we have liberty to partake in a feast or not to. Where Christians get in trouble is when they try to command others by binding their consciences to feasts to which they are not bound. The whole point of the Passover was to picture Christ, and since we are post in redemptive history, we are commanded to observe the Lord’s supper as a means of grace pointing back to the cross, but not the Passover b/c it was a means of pointing forward. I don’t mean to say Christians CANNOT participate in the Passover, but if they do, they need to understand that we ARE NOT commanded to partake in that Old Testament ritual, for the same reasons we are not commanded to circumcise our children, but to baptize instead, likewise, we are not commanded to present sin offerings.

  6. Bob said

    Some of you are missing the point here. It’s not bondage to celebrate what God has told us to celebrate. It’s understanding why Jesus did what he did. The more you understand that, the more grace will abound and prosper in YOUR life.

  7. Kevin said

    I just spoke on air, I was the only one who “disagreed” with the celebration of the Satyr by modern day Christians. I think that Galatians chapter 4 is somewhat applicable here, (be careful celebrating days and months and years, etc., which was speaking directly to Hebrew rituals.

    I believe Pastor David is a man of God, and doing exactly the right things he should be doing it, and his congregation is evidence of that.

    My point is that we need to be careful about such celebrations, as they can be never ending. Some might think they are better off if they DO celebrate, and some might think they are better off if they don’t. I think Pastor David is careful in such a manner. Besides, my opinion is of no consequence anyway, it is God’s opinion that counts.

    I bet you God has a high opinion of Pastor Dave, he died for him!!!!

  8. some guy said

    to compliment Jason’s comments; I would add that yes–paul had much rebuking those (including Peter) who found themselves inching back towards a lifestyle of outward observance. He found that the real circumcision was that of the heart. A notable observance in the passover is the unleavened bread, which Christ warned his disciples about the leaven of the Pharisees.
    But in defense of the gentile passover celebration, I would agree that it is valuable b/c of Paul’s admonition to become all things to all men, so we might save some.

  9. Ben Maulis said

    Paul’s instruction to the church here is most informative. He implores the readers of his epistle to allow the keeping of the feast. He does not command its keeping. God has already commanded its keeping forever (Ex. 12:14, 17, 24). Here Paul implores us to allow its keeping and defines the ordinance under new covenant terms: Christ is our Passover, and sincerity and truth are our bread without leaven.

    I know that the dry bones of the Passover that is kept today by those who keep it with the old leaven can live because unto them were committed the oracles of God which serve as a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ who is able to save to the uttermost those that come unto him. As for those old ordinances, it is written that they were:

    “…a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed [on them] until the time of reformation. But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us]. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (from Hebrews 9)

    What I do not understand is how the keeping of the traditions of man, and the reverence for the holy days established not by God but by the anti-christ in Rome, can be justified.

  10. CarGuy37 said

    For me, I was persuaded by the verse Gal 2:14, “But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”

    Pastor David threw me a curve when he referenced the olive branch, and how the Gentiles were grafted in with the Jews. But I think that this olive branch was intended by Paul to represent the elect rather then implying that Gentiles are now culturally Jewish. The spiritual dimension of this is intimated in Rom 9:6, “not all Israel is Israel.” (although my dispensational brothers would probably disagree)

    I do think it is important to understand Jewish tradition, seeing as Jesus was a Jew. And I would probably benefit from such a display. Many excellent points have been made already, so I don’t have much more to add. 😉

  11. These are great posts! I meant to get on earlier, sorry for that, got tied up. Galatians 4 has to do with those who would be justified by the law. Paul ties that together in the start of chapter 5 v 4. I do not believe our sister is not saying we are justified by the law. We are justified by faith, not by works, plain from scripture. more coming…
    pastor david

  12. the shadows mentioned in hebrews has more to do with the offerings that with the feasts. we do not sacrifice bulls or anything els at the church. 🙂 however, an incredibly interesting study is found in the feasts. the spring feasts, passover, unleavened bread, firstfruits, pentecost have already had their prophetic fulfillment. the feasts of trumpets, yom kippur, feasts of booths are yet to be fulfilled. there is great info about this out there or write me at pastordavid@reachthetriad.com ask for the cd on leviticus 23. also many things that Jesus said, he was quoting the Hebrew scriptures.
    Deut 6:4
    4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one! 5 You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.
    NKJV
    Lev 19:18
    18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.
    NKJV
    certainly these are manners and customs that we need to keep. more coming…

  13. Just reread some comments. We do not have to keep the feasts, we get to. I wonder of the posts that have a problem with Christians celebrating Passover have been to a Seder? It is beneficial to your faith and your understanding of the Bible. Passover, Communion, the Last Supper, the Exodus all have deep symbolism and meaning to our personal faith. Let’s remember that telling someone they cannot or should not celebrate passover is trying to rob some one of their spiritual liberty, much like saying all Christians must celebrate Passover. Ben makes an interesting point in that Christians have no problem or questions celebrating Christmas and Easter, though the origins and some of the customs involved are questionable. I do celebrate Christmas and Resurrection Sunday (better name than Easter/Ishtar). Passover is a biblical feasts. I can point to scriptures that indicate we should still celebrate passover
    1 Cor 5:7-8
    7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
    NKJV
    No one can quote a verse that says we should not celebrate passover. yes…still more coming…

  14. The discussion on Romans is an altogether different conversation. Many have assumed that whenever the Bible speaks of Israel in the New Testament it is speaking of the elect, of those who have been saved. Making assumptions like that is not a good practice in studying the Bible. It has lead to ‘replacement theology’ what i percieve to be a very dangerous theology. The branches were borken off meaning they were already a part of the tree. I am saying something much deeper than being culturally Jewish but that we also become spiritually chosen of God.
    Gal 3:14
    14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
    NKJV
    I have been studying the Jewish roots of Christianity for a few years now. It has not made me eager to be justified by the law. It has added clarity to my faith not confusion. I think many beleivers do not study and understand their Bibles and in particular the Hebrew scriptures. I encourage us all to ‘study to show ourselves approved’ and to be Bereans, ‘searching the scriptures daily’. Thanks for all the postings and dialogue. I especially appreciate that we were able to walk in love. Pray for Stu and WTRU. Awesome brother, awesome ministry. They are working on a station in…Salt Lake City. Theres a whole another discussion. God bless.

  15. Elias said

    The passover is part of the old covenant which Christians are under no obligation to uphold given that the new covenant has come to pass (Jeremiah 31:27-33) and that gentiles, such as myself, are not obliged to hold because the old covanent applies to jews. If Jesus was indeed the Messiah then the Old Covenant no longer applies.

    Secondly, 35 to 40 percent of the old covenant laws can only be fulfilled in the holy land itself. Given that in Gal. 3:10 it says “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM” (caps in the original), it it therfore impossible to follow the Old Covenant in the way it was meant.

    Finally, while the passover is an interesting time, i would argue that the ressurection is much more important then the passover, and if we celebrate anything, it should be that.

    For these reasons, i feel no obligation, or even any inclination, to celebrate the passover.

  16. I agree, we are not an under an obligation. We are not under the law. I am saved by grace alone. I am not saying that all Christians have to celebrate passover. I understand more about communion, the last supper and my faith from passover seders. If you can learn more about Jesus, who is central to passover, why would you not have ‘the inclination’? The cup of the new covenant, that Jesus celebrated, which of the passover cups was it? the cup of redemption. Surely you can see the types that speak of Jesus… the blood, the lamb, redemption, being set free from slavery.
    Ex 12:46
    46 In one house it shall be eaten; you shall not carry any of the flesh outside the house, nor shall you break one of its bones.
    NKJV

    John 19:36
    36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, “Not one of His bones shall be broken.”
    NKJV

    I want to know and to learn as much about Jesus and the Bible as I can. I wish all that say they follow Jesus would as well. If Jesus thought the passover was important enough to celebrate it the last night with the disciples, I want to learn about it.

    I agree that the resurrection is the most important date in human history and should be celebrated.

  17. Elias said

    @Pastor Dave

    “I want to know and to learn as much about Jesus and the Bible as I can. I wish all that say they follow Jesus would as well. If Jesus thought the passover was important enough to celebrate it the last night with the disciples, I want to learn about it.”

    Jesus celebrated the passover because until His ressurection he was still under the old law and needed to fulfill the requirements of the law, including the passover feast, in order to remain a perfect sacrifice.

    I feel no inclination to study the passover becaue it’s a tertiary issue at best. My statement about the ressurection is to indicate that there are many other Biblical issues that are much more cogent to life and orthodoxy.

    If you want to study it, feel free, i’m not saying that you shouldn’t by any means. However, i’m stating that for some, such as myself, there are other biblical issues that are much more important that i feel i should study first, well before i start conserning myself with the practice of a religion that, according to New Testament, is no longer viable.

  18. jAsOn said

    Pastor David,

    I pray that my criticisms don’t seem harsh; it’s hard to express tone in print.

    I will have to differ with you on your interpretation of Susan’s post. she clearly stated that do not know Christ because they do not “follow the OT”. Knowing Christ and being justified are one in the same; if you know Christ you are justified. In the context of the show, we can rightly say that “following the OT” means practicing the cultic rituals of Judaism. I welcome Susan’s correction if I have misinterpreted her.

    Gal. 4: “14But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?” 15We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.”

    Here Paul recounts the confusion Peter and others had and (by their actions) encouraged among the gentiles, and he goes straight into a statement about not being justified by the law, because the danger of such confusion is to mislead someone into a justification that is “by Law and not faith. Paul tells us that their conduct was “not in step with the truth of the gospel” and that conduct was not hypocrisy alone or else hypocrisy would be the sin we would be referring to when we described the “Galatian heresy”.

    As I said before, I think Paul made it clear that we have the liberty to keep feasts however, when it is said that, “I can point to scriptures that indicate we should still celebrate passover”, then you are binding the conscience of believers with a command, and that’s where I think that your practice is wrong. When we take communion we are keeping the command Christ for us in the New Covenant. 1 Cor. 11:”24and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 25In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.” This is the commanded feast for New Covenant believers, not the Passover, b/c the Passover was a type of the Lord’s supper.

    Just as there is no need to quote a verse to show that we no longer perform animal sacrifices, we also need no verse that explicitly states that we should replace the passover celebration with the celebration of the passover that Christ made for believers on the cross. The OT of the Passover was a memorial supper celebrating the Exodus of God’s people out of the temporal bondage to Egypt, which itself was a picture pointing to the future spiritual exodus God performed on the cross. All of the OT types and shadows (feasts, and sacrifices) were fulfilled in Christ, ratified by His resurrection. Yom Kippur is the Day of Attonement (Leviticus 16:29-30) and if any feast should be seen as having been fulfilled in Christs sacrifice on the cross it most certainly is this one.

    Furthermore, what NT reason do you have to admonish those in your congregation to keep the feasts but not the OT customs of circumcision and sin offerings? On the same grounds you used, one could argue that those too are “beneficial to your faith and your understanding of the Bible… [and] all have deep symbolism and meaning to our personal faith.” Remember, the command to love your neighbor as yourself and the Lord above all is the summation Christ made of the 10 commandments, thus it is morally binding behavior reflecting the very character of God, but the commands God made for the Jewish temple practices and feasts were not moral obligations reflecting the character of God’s holiness, but where covenantal obligations picturing the coming Messiah, in whom they are all fulfilled.

    In Lev. 23:”37 “These are the appointed feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim as times of holy convocation, for presenting to the LORD food offerings, burnt offerings and grain offerings, sacrifices and drink offerings, each on its proper day, 38 besides the LORD’s Sabbaths and besides your gifts and besides all your vow offerings and besides all your freewill offerings, which you give to the LORD.” it relates so closely the feasts with the sacrifices, that one cannot be justified in admonishing the celebration of one without the other.

  19. Great point about Jesus fulfilling the law and I agree. However, my point was if Jesus did it and we can learn more about Him by studying it, we should. There are indeed many practical issues to study and learn about. Love God and love people is enough for a lifetime. 🙂 Please read Romans 11 before regarding Judaism being no longer viable. It is mentioned much in the New Testament and in the final book of the New Testament, Revelation (Rev 7:4, 21:12). Hundreds have attended our Passovers and have found deep meaning and spiritual significance for themselves in the Passover. This comes through seeing Jesus in the Passover. We would both agree that learning about Jesus is very important for our faith. I appreciate you wanting to concern yourself with biblical issues. I would encourage you to find a church that teaches through the Bible, verse by verse. Teaching out of the New Testament and the Hebrew scriptures is important. Only those who are spiritually arrogant and/or ignorant would argue that the Old Testament has no spiritual meaning or impact on our lives. A expositional approach, or verse by verse, is by far the best way to learn biblical issues and presents a biblical balance. If you don’t attend a church teaching this way, or if you need help finding one, let me know if I can help.

  20. jAsOn said

    Pastor David,

    Posts #14-17 occurred wile I was composing #18 so I didn’t approach this topic specifically in that post, but I will now.

    You said, “Many have assumed that whenever the Bible speaks of Israel in the New Testament it is speaking of the elect, of those who have been saved. Making assumptions like that is not a good practice in studying the Bible. It has lead to ‘replacement theology’ what i percieve to be a very dangerous theology. The branches were borken off meaning they were already a part of the tree. I am saying something much deeper than being culturally Jewish but that we also become spiritually chosen of God.”

    First, when Christians prior to the Reformation and all reformed theologians today say that the “Israel of God” spoken of in the NT is referring to the elect from every nation, believe me, it is not an assumption, and those theologians (among which I count myself) are no small percentage of the whole.

    Second, let us also define a term that is “dangerously” quick of the tongues of many popular bible teachers today, and that is, “replacement theology”. This term is said to describe a theology that states that the church of the NT has replaced the NATION of Israel. Let’s get one thing straight, no amillennarian or historic premillenialist worth his salt has every said that.

    Third, there are many reasons for believing that there is only one elect body which includes both Jews and Gentiles, here are a few.

    Gal. 3:29″And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.”

    Eph. 2:”11Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.”

    Rom 2:25″25For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision. 26So, if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27Then he who is physically uncircumcised but keeps the law will condemn you who have the written code and circumcision but break the law. 28For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.”

    Pastor David, you referred to Romans 11, note that we as gentiles were grafted into the SAME tree, we were not a new tree planted beside the old one.

    For further, quick study on this, I commend Sam Waldron’s blog series responding to John MacArthur, here is one post specifically regarding the Israel of God
    http://www.mctsowensboro.org/blog/?p=181

  21. To repeat, I am not saying believers have to keep the feasts. If people say believers cannot keep the Passover feast as a memorial, or to learn about Jesus, then I would point to the scriptures that seem to indicate we can. I tell the people that attend our church they do not have to come to the passover. So obviously I do not feel the need to put people under bondage to keep the Passover. If that was unclear, I hope that adds clarity. Since I was communicating I am sorry I did not make that clear. You do not seem harsh, I enjoy the exchange. To often we do not engage one another (or the world) without getting offending and blowing our witness.

    Reading Susans post again, I am unclear on her intent. Certainly many Christian totally disregard the study of Hebrew Scriptures and the application of some of the timeless truths. I know many Jewish believers in Jesus who do not understand some Gentiles or are frustrated by them when they treat God as if He is number 12 on their list of priorities. I am thinking that she is looking at ‘Christians’ who violate principles that are in both the New and the Hebrew scriptures. Remember that many Messianic believers lump Christians in with Catholics in disregarding the Bible. Also they are often frustrated by a lack of reverence for God’s Word. Sadly many people who call themselves Christians, indeed do not know Jesus. Of course perhaps I am misreading her comments. If she is saying they do not know Jesus because they do not keep the law, that would be legalism. If she is saying those that say they know Jesus or call themselves Christians should be doing the Bible, then I think we would both have to agree.

  22. too not to in line 3. oops. its late.

  23. jAsOn said

    Moderator,

    I submitted a comment about 11:50 PM last night and it was awaiting moderation, but I’m at a different computer this morning and it hasn’t been posted but other comments have. I wrote a response to the use of the term “replacement theology” that needs to be addressed in particular. Should I re-post?

    Pastor David,

    I enjoy the exchange too. I too believe that the OT is neglected almost entirely in most “conservative” evangelical American churches, and I believe that should not be the case b/c Christ fulfills the OT. Luke 24″25And he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” 27And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.” but I’m also very thankful that we have the full revelation and substance of these types and shadows…Christ.

  24. jAsOn said

    Below is the post I submitted last night. Forgive my persistence if it ends up clearing moderation again, and being posted twice. In addition, I would like to consider Susan’s post again. I don’t know her mind and she hasn’t offered up any further clarification, but when someone starts their comments on this topic by saying, “I call myself a Messianic Jew not a Christian. I do because most Christians do not follow the beliefs or even know the real Jesus Christ or they would follow the old testament.” -Susan post #1, she was very specific in saying most Christians do not follow the OLD Testament. If her concern was that Roman Catholic Christians do not accept sola scriptura, I don’t think she would have referenced the OT exclusively. Furthermore, to therefore call oneself a Messianic Jew INSTEAD of a Christian is essentially the same error addressed in Acts 15 at the Jerusalem council, and that Paul corrected in Galatia. Though I am not a pastor by office, my concern here is definitely pastoral. Following is the post I submitted lat night.

    Pastor David,

    Posts #14-17 occurred wile I was composing #18 so I didn’t approach this topic specifically in that post, but I will now.

    You said, “Many have assumed that whenever the Bible speaks of Israel in the New Testament it is speaking of the elect, of those who have been saved. Making assumptions like that is not a good practice in studying the Bible. It has lead to ‘replacement theology’ what i percieve to be a very dangerous theology. The branches were borken off meaning they were already a part of the tree. I am saying something much deeper than being culturally Jewish but that we also become spiritually chosen of God.”

    First, when Christians prior to the Reformation and all reformed theologians today say that the “Israel of God” spoken of in the NT is referring to the elect from every nation, believe me, it is not an assumption, and those theologians (among which I count myself) are no small percentage of the whole.

    Second, let us also define a term that is “dangerously” quick of the tongues of many popular bible teachers today, and that is, “replacement theology”. This term is said to describe a theology that states that the church of the NT has replaced the NATION of Israel. Let’s get one thing straight, no amillennarian or historic premillenialist worth his salt has every said that.

    Third, there are many reasons for believing that there is only one elect body which includes both Jews and Gentiles, here are a few.

    Gal. 3:29″And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.”

    Eph. 2:”11Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.”

    Rom 2:25″25For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision. 26So, if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27Then he who is physically uncircumcised but keeps the law will condemn you who have the written code and circumcision but break the law. 28For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.”

    Pastor David, you referred to Romans 11, note that we as gentiles were grafted into the SAME tree, we were not a new tree planted beside the old one.

    For further, quick study on this, I commend Sam Waldron’s blog series responding to John MacArthur, here is one post specifically regarding the Israel of God
    http://www.mctsowensboro.org/blog/?p=181

  25. some guy said

    I would think it is agreed that the symbolism can be beneficial, but only as an evangelical instrument to lead to the truth–the Gospel. To assume that a traditional ceremony can bring greater revelation to the fullness of Christ can be distracting; it can be used to eclipse the very words and works of the lamb of God. Just as Christ celebrated, so did the Pharisees.

    many good points have been made about a potential slide back to ceremonial discipleship and the necessity to understand the past. But at the end of the day we all can relate better to a person not a performance or ceremony. God knew that and took the necessary steps.

    Potentially, Colossians 2:16 will be helpful for those on both sides of the conversation. Whatever is done should be done for His glory.

  26. jAsOn said

    I would like to consider Susan’s post again. I don’t know her mind and she hasn’t offered up any further clarification, but when someone starts their comments on this topic by saying, “I call myself a Messianic Jew not a Christian. I do because most Christians do not follow the beliefs or even know the real Jesus Christ or they would follow the old testament.” -Susan post #1, she was very specific in saying most Christians do not follow the OLD Testament. If her concern was that Roman Catholic Christians do not accept sola scriptura, I don’t think she would have referenced the OT exclusively. Furthermore, to therefore call oneself a Messianic Jew INSTEAD of a Christian is essentially the same error addressed in Acts 15 at the Jerusalem council, and that Paul corrected in Galatia. Though I am not a pastor by office, my concern here is definitely pastoral.

    It has been repeated, that whatever we do, we need to do to the glory of Christ. While this principle is true b/c it is in the Words of God, the application of it cannot be used universally; again, Paul did not say that to the Judaizers.

    Here is the Colossians passage in context, 2:”11In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him. 16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God. 20If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22( referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.”

  27. jAsOn said

    Sorry everyone,

    You can ignore my comment #20…#24 has replaced it.

  28. Mike S. said

    I have read some but not all of the posts here so forgive me if I say something that has already been said here. First of all, anyone who has taken the time to really study the book of Hebrews, has to come away with a grand appreciation of the OT and all of its explanations of the shadows and copies that have been fulfilled through Christ. I attended a sermon given by a “Messianic Jew”. I really don’t know if that is the way he categorized himself or not, but I think that would describe him best. He walked us through all of the elements of Passover and explained the historicity as well as the traditions behind each of the elements. I must say (as a new believer at the time) that was one of the most fascinating and educational lessons I have ever experienced. Jesus Christ can be seen clearly through all of the elements that are practiced.

    Having experienced this, I can certainly appreciate David’s comment that Passover is not something we have to do, rather it is something we GET to do. When I heard David’s advertisement for the Passover feast being held at his church here in the Triad I was excited, but I also was discouraged that they were charging $25 per person for this. If this is truly an outreach then why charge so much?

  29. Great posts and discussions. I would, again, encourage anyone and everyone to attend a Passover Seder so they can comment based upon their own personal experience whether it is helpful or beneficial (or damaging?) to their faith, biblical knowledge and understanding. I have never encountered anyone who attended one and said well, that did not help me in anyway. Not saying they don’t exists, just never met anyone. Anyone out there have this experience? To enter into a discussion without ever attending one makes it difficult to understand the relevance I am speaking about.I am passionate about people understanding the whole Bible. Our teachings last from an hour to an hour and a half. The cost of $25… If anyone here posting wants to attend, and cannot afford it, I will personally pay for their meal. We have a benevolence account also set up for people as well. This is a multi course meal including roasted lamb, home made matza, haroset, etc. etc. and also a takeaway for the folks. Last year it was an olive wood communion cup from Israel. We rent the tables, the plates, the glasses, the silverware. We do not make money on this, we actually absorb part of the cost to be honest. With the increases in fuel and food costs, I made the decision to keep the price the same as last year, even though our costs went up 12%, thereby ensuring that the church will pay a larger portion of the costs. Outreaches always cost money, it is just who pays. The gospel is free but the preaching of it always cost someone something. Again any individual wanting to attend from the posts, especially those who don’t understand the benefit, who cannot afford to pay, can contact me or Pastor Shawn at the church 336-996-6880. I need to study to teach tonight. God bless.

  30. jAsOn said

    “Getting to” celebrate a ritual that memorialized an event that occurred in a covenant that is passing away, and which (typologically) pointed forward to an event that happened 2000 years ago, is a bit obtuse, particularly when the new covenant meal of The Lord’s Table is in view.

    I am curious, do you guys have a “memorialist” view of the Lord’s Table as opposed to viewing it as a “means of grace” that God uses to renew our faith on Sundays?

  31. jAsOn said

    With all due respect Pastor David, whether or not one’s “personal experience” testifies to its helpfulness or benefit, that doesn’t lend to its legitimacy as a practice. It is scripture alone upon which we inform our faith & practice. I too desire Christians to have a better understanding of the bible, but it is not through participation in such an experience alone that will happen, and in fact, that such experiences can hinder our understanding if we are not careful, as we saw from Susan’s comments. I only wish the Lord’s Table was taken so seriously, and perhaps your church does take it more seriously than the passover you celebrate.

  32. Elias said

    @Jason

    Right on with comment 31.

    @Pastor Dave

    Jason hit the nail on the head. Personal experiance doesn’t trump Biblical orthodoxy. So far, the argument i’ve seen is:

    PD:You should learn about the passover.

    Me:Why?

    PD:Because Jesus participated in it.

    Me:But Jesus was a Jew and he had to participate in it.

    PD:But we should learn about everything he did, he did this, so we should learn about it.

    Me: …see previous answer.

    We’ve hit the point of circular argument, unless you can show, Biblically, where we are directed to participate in Old Law practices. In that case, it shouldn’t just be the one feast, but it should be the whole law, as one part is not removeable from another. However, as was already pointed out, this discussion has already taken place by the Apostles and they came to the conclusion that we are no longer under the Old Law, therfore, there is no Biblical reason to participate.

    Also, once again, I’m a Gentile. Since Old Law was meant for Jews, once again, i do not fall under a category that is required in any way to participate, given the New Covenant.

    Maybe it’d be interesting, i’m sure it would be, but i can put that 25 bucks to a better use in my church and spend the time studying trinitarian orthodoxy or resurrection apologetics in order to become a better informed Christian about topics that are directly relevent to Christian Orthodoxy, not Jewish customs and practices.

  33. Mike S said

    David
    Correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t this be comparable to an in depth, hands on study of Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Hebrews all wrapped up into a dinner?

    So what’s wrong with that guys?

  34. jAsOn said

    Actually, I think an in depth study of Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Hebrews would most profitably be the proper exegetical study and presentation of Christ and His gospel from those passages. Those books contain far more than just case studies of the passover, and a meal representing it would cover only a small minutia of their content. When we want to really learn about the Old Covenant ritual sacrifices, we don’t engage in a hands on study of the related books containing that information by actually representing such sacrifices…

  35. jAsOn said

    Elias touched on it again, and I will reiterate, in Lev. 23, God commanded the feasts “for presenting to the LORD food offerings, burnt offerings and grain offerings, sacrifices and drink offerings, each on its proper day”. Included in that list is Yom Kippur and the feast of booths.

  36. Blair said

    I understand Pastor Dave’s and Jason’s discussion. My personal opinion on the Passover oservance is that it can distract from the actual reason we were birthed into the family of God. Once we asked Christ into our hearts; we are to go into the highways and hedges and compel others to come to Christ. Mark 16:15-16

    15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

    16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
    KJV
    If the church is using the Passover observance to futher the cause of Christ then great. Every Bible believing church should train new converts in the Bible and teach them doctrines and ordinaces, such as communion and baptizism. Most importantly, those that have asked Christ to save them from their sin should be shown how to talk with others about Christ. The local, Bible believing, fundemental church should always put soul-winning first. It seems we want to socializing Christians more, than bringing in the lost sheep. My church has a disciple class and revivals and mission conferences and times to just get together, but we do have two times a week we go out to tell others about Christ. We do not have get togethers as often as soul-winning.

    I believe we should celebrate the resurrection of Christ. The passover I don’t. However, if Passoever observance is being used to further the cause of Christ in this sin cursed world. I say go for it.

    Proverbs 11:30

    30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.
    KJV
    Psalms 126:6
    Psalms 126:6

    6 He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him.
    KJV

    I hope I made myself clear enough. If not I am very sorry. I just believe we put our focus in the wrong places.

  37. I have said repeatedly that I am not placing people under bondage to celebrate the passover merely giving them the opportunity. You are either not listening or choosing not to respond because it deflates your debate that I am placing people under the law. We have Passover once a year and communion a lot more often than that.

    “better informed Christian about topics that are directly relevent to Christian Orthodoxy, not Jewish customs and practices.”
    to suggest that Jewish customs and practices have no relevance to Christian orthodoxy is a biblically astounding statement to make. What are the Hebrew scriptures filled with? Do you understand the significance of the Passover, Pentecost, etc to the Christian? It seems not. Do you realize the roots of the baptism are found in the mikvahs, the ceremonial cleansing for the temple? Do you realize that the 3,000 people baptized in the books of Acts, in Jerusalem, in the desert, were baptized in the mikvahs. Please get to know your Bibles, OT and NT.

    “Actually, I think an in depth study of Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Hebrews would most profitably be the proper exegetical study and presentation of Christ and His gospel from those passages. Those books contain far more than just case studies of the passover, and a meal representing it would cover only a small minutia of their content. When we want to really learn about the Old Covenant ritual sacrifices, we don’t engage in a hands on study of the related books containing that information by actually representing such sacrifices…”

    I think in depth study is awesome to do and we do that and bring out the passover. I have taken the people, verse by verse all the way through Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, I and II Samuel, and am 1 Kings. I have also taken them through Matthew, Mark, Luke John and almost completed the book of Acts. Verse by verse. Just curious, how many of you are doing that in your churches? By the way the OT studies are on Thursday night, the NT studies are on Sunday morning, showing the emphasis of the NT. I really feel like you are missing the point. Get to know your Bibles, NT and OT, get to know the Jewish feasts and customs and their prophetic relevance because they are in the Bible.

    The comment that My comment about ‘personal experience’ was to speak on an issue, you need to educate yourself on that issue, not to set biblical orthodoxy. Since you did not comment on that it is obvious that you have never attended a Seder, so how can you decisively label it as irrelevant? Please…your logic is seriously flawed. How many of your churches have memberships? That is not in the Bible and yet a standard practice. We do not have a membership.

    Well, I do agree that at this point we are going around in circles. You will not talk me out of not celebrating Passover and focusing on Jesus in the midst of it. I am not gaining any ground, it seems, in explaining my position. Let’s use our time to go reach the lost and dying world instead of spinning our wheels here. We can all agree that does indeed further the cause of Christ. No ill will, no hard feelings, I appreciate ‘the sharpening’ and hope you all do as well. Have a great weekend and a great service. 🙂

  38. Philip said

    Blair said: “I believe we should celebrate the resurrection of Christ.”

    The Crucifixion was on Passover, and the Resurreciton was three days after Passover.

    When do you celebrate the Crucifixion and the Resurrection?

  39. Mike S. said

    ALL THE TIME

  40. jAsOn said

    Pastor DAvid,

    Regarding your responses to my comments, perhaps you are the one not listening. It is not the fact that you do “celebrate” the passover in your church, it is your reasoning behind doing so that I am challenging as deficient.

    I have attended a passover Seder

    I am aware of the typological baptism in the OT.

    My church does teach the old and new testaments expositionally.

    what does this comment mean? “The comment that My comment about ‘personal experience’ was to speak on an issue, you need to educate yourself on that issue, not to set biblical orthodoxy.”

    And you cannot dichotomize the importance of intra mural debates such as this and the need to evangelize a lost and dying world.

    “Please…your logic is seriously flawed. How many of your churches have memberships? That is not in the Bible and yet a standard practice. We do not have a membership.”

    This is really the topic of another debate, but I’m actually shocked that, as a pastor, you don’t affirm the principle of membership and that it is rooted in the layman’s submission to the authorities God has ordained in the officers of the church, regardless of how it is practiced.

    When you speak of your celebration of such a feast it terms that make it sound like it is sanctifying in some way, then you necessarily have said that those who do not are missing an opportunity to be sanctified…perhaps it is your logic that is “seriously flawed”. Knowledge of the passover is one thing, but if one denies its abrogation in the New Covenant in the Lord’s table is to almost like denying Christ’s fulfillment of it. You have actually addressed very few of the specific objections that I have made to your reasons for celebrating the passover.

  41. some guy said

    well…I guess it’s a little late to start discussing having a foot washing service. 🙂

    the relevance–I dunno–we might learn a bunch about servanthood!

  42. Mike S. said

    And how much some of our brothers and sisters (and ourselves)…

    stink… 🙂

  43. Hey Jason,
    We agree, personal experience is not the basis of church practices. I was saying in order to speak on a subject you want to make yourself familiar with that subject, i.e. attend a passover in this case, which you have. Awesome your church teaches expositionally. It is really is the best way to teach/learn the Bible. I can and should dichotomize debates and winning the lost. Too many people, I don’t think any of the dear folk on here, spend too much time on theological debates and too little time witnessing, loving God and loving people. I think our brother Blair is right, we are in danger of putting the focus on the wrong things in this discussion and have discussed it to the point of probably wasting time. Incidentally Blair, every year people put their trust in Jesus as their Messiah at these celebrations. By their fruit you shall know them. My life is consumed with ministering to people and therefore I do not have endless time for debates. While debates and witnessing are both important, lets remember to keep the balance, and where Jesus put the emphasis. You obviously have a membership because of the way you responded to that issue. Let me assure you we practice the laymans submission to the God ordained officers of the church. We practice Matthew 18 and deal with division but do not need a ‘membership’ to practice those things. You make the connection that you cant have one without the other and we do. In fact many people who have memberships do not practice those things. If you know the root of baptism in the mikvah then you have obviously taken the time to understand Jewish feasts and customs. The two ordinances you, or it may have been someone else, mentioned, baptism and communion both find their roots in the mikvahs and the passover respectively. That does answer directly what these things have to do with our faith and Christian orthodoxy, which I believe was one of yours and someone else’s objection. Your last paragraph is where you revealed something. I have in no way held up that some one is sanctified through the passover, you really made that up. ‘You make it sound like’, means that I really didn’t say it to begin with right? Yet you plainly express this as an accusation which is unfounded and groundless. I have not said that people are missing on opportunity to be sanctified. Again an unfounded and groundless accusation. That is a quantum leap in logic from anything I have said and makes it seem like you just want to argue not debate. In no place have I accused you of being less than a Christian, of not being born again or denying Christ’s fulfillment. I have not denied the New Covenant, the Lord’s supper, or Christs fulfillment of it. To accuse me of these things is utterly ridiculous. So while I have enjoyed most of the exchange the last one just confirmed what I alluded to in my previous email. This is going nowhere, as a matter of fact you are trying to take it to a place where I choose not to go. It is not edifying and I will not respond in like manner but in love and mercy. Well, gotta go. May God be glorified through all we say and do. May we have awesome times of worship this weekend. May many people comes to know Jesus as Lord and Savior and may many lives be forever changed through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Grace and Peace.

  44. Renie said

    When a person meets a new friend he/she wants to know more about them and wants to spend as much time with them as possible. God called Abraham His friend. I want to be a friend of God. I want to learn as much about Him as possible. I read my Bible as much as I can. I don’t want my head spinning with a lot of what’s legal and not legal though. Going to the Seder has given me an insight as to how our Jewish brothers and sisters explained to their families what God had done for them. It is a wonderful event – I go to Calvary Chapel and Pastor David never twisted my arm or made me feel like if I didn’t go I was doomed. He did say that it would be informative and it was. I’m going again this year. I don’t go because it’s something that is required but because I want to learn more about the God I serve. Reading the above posts, I think some of you are missing the point. Don’t you want to celebrate with fellow believers some of the rich history that comes from this feast? You will learn. You will walk out of there knowing God a little more than when you walked in. That’s the point. It’s not about keeping commands. We only have 2 – love God and love people. That’s enough at times to keep us occupied and our day full. To take a little time and fellowship with other believers or seekers and learn more about God’s heart and grace is an experience that will only bring you closer to him. It ties so much of the OT and NT together that if you just look at it simply, you will enjoy it. God wants to be your friend – and I’m sure we’re not going to be graded on how astute we were in picking apart each other’s theology. He surely will care if we were loving Him and loving people.

  45. Mike S said

    “I don’t want my head spinning with a lot of what’s legal and not legal though.” Good way to look at it Renie

    In Galatians, I think if Peter was doing the opposite (for the wrong reasons). Refusing to eat with and associate with the Jewish Christians because they were not eating just anything, he still would have been rebuked. “It is for freedom that Christ has set us free.”

    “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is constructive.

    “So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.”

    The true Christian has to discern what is constructive and what is not. Other Christians don’t need to impose their lists of what and how we should learn about and glorify Christ.

  46. jAsOn said

    Pastor David,

    Granted, this debate is most definitely in house, and essentially peripheral to the gospel. I know that you have the capacity to make the dichotomy between the importance of theological debate and winning the lost, but I disagree that you should. Too many people spend all their time trying to witness without being fully aware of how to present an adequate understanding of the gospel or God.

    As for wasting time in this discussion, I too believe it has probably run its course (at least regard yours and my interaction) because I think each of us has differing presuppositions when it comes to the way we interpret the types of the OT. You should know that fleshing out these issues among brothers has been one major way that greater biblical understanding has been produced, thus ministry in that sense it is.

    Regarding membership, essentially, you do practice it, but I didn’t intend to say that if a church doesn’t have a “membership roll”, they can’t be practicing those things…they certainly can.

    The types of the ordinances/sacraments the NT Church practices were those in the OT, but their use is fulfilled in Christ. You only practice the baptism of Jesus, not the OT baptism, right?

    My accusation definitely was not unfounded, even though it wasn’t what you intended, if you believe that a Christian is better off, or understands Christ, His work, or scripture better because of the practice of a feast, then that was the grounds of my accusation.

    My intention is not “just to argue” but this issue is so nuanced that vast amounts of clarification have been necessary. I don’t think I said that you DID deny Christ’s fulfillment of the passover, only that, if someone denies its abrogation in the NT in the Lord’s Table, then he has denied Christ’s fulfillment of it.

  47. jAsOn said

    Renie,

    You said, “Don’t you want to celebrate with fellow believers some of the rich history that comes from this feast?”

    We do that in the Lord’s Table…that’s one of its major benefits.

    You said, “You will walk out of there knowing God a little more than when you walked in. That’s the point.”

    I don’t think Pastor David would agree with you here, b/c the way you described it IS to say that it is sanctifying in its effects.

    I for one am not interested simply in “picking apart each other’s theology”, but this forum is set for the purpose of iron sharpening iron…and that is what we are doing. Furthermore, it isn’t loving to sit by and allow a brother to persist in unbiblical doctrine (and I know this makes this issue sound much more important than it is, but just as a principle). Also, the decree to which we misunderstand the doctrines of God (and we all have great deficiencies in our beliefs) is the degree to which we dishonor Him, and that isn’t loving either.

  48. John said

    “When I am at Rome, I fast on a Saturday; when I am at Milan,I do not.Follow the custom of the church where you are.-Saint Ambrose, advice to St. Augustine,quoted by St. Augustine in Epistle to Januarius.

  49. Renie said

    Dear Jason,
    Our Sader goes further into depth to help us understand a lot more about the Lord’s supper. I see the symbolism and it’s an awesome thing. I want to be sharpened in my faith but I wouldn’t want to argue with you or any other fellow believer about our God. We know based on the 10 commandments what is right and what is wrong. Anything outside of these dishonors God. Keeping a feast that He said is something that we should do to always remember helps me remember. It was fun, informative, and I had a wonderful time. I don’t think for a moment that it could be twisted into something unbiblical. I wish you could have come – I’m sure you would have not been either disappointed or hungry when you left. If you would like, I would love to personally get you 2 tickets for the next one. If you go to the cafe and ask and I’m still on this earth, they’ll be waiting for you. As a Berean type person that you seem to be, you’ll see that it is very good. God bless you bunches!

  50. some guy said

    John..I think I can understand your logic on #48, but drinking kool-aid in Guyana is not my cup of tea.

    Renie..you should be a Berean type person as well.

    All..knowledge puffs up but love edifies. 🙂

  51. jAsOn said

    Renie,

    I have attended a Passover Sader, and I really don’t think the discussion here should be clasified as argueing about our God, but rather, it is iron sharpening iron. I am not saying that a Christian cannot observe a feast, Paul makes this clear in the portion of his letters regarding liberty, but I am saying that it is the Lord’s Table observance that informs us as to the OT passover observance, not the other way around, and the observance of either one could be twisted into something unbiblical, just like baptism can be and just like all the temple sacrifices were in unbelieving Israel. But we all need to understand that God’s command to always remember the passover is subsumed in Christ’s command for us to partake of the NT fulfillment of that, which is the Lord’s Table/communion. In one sense, we celebrate “passover” every time we celebrate the Lord’s Table. God bless you too brother.

  52. John said

    Happy Passover Sunday, for anyone who cares.

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