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Is Divine Healing For Today?

Posted by truthtalklive on April 9, 2008

Todays guest host: Dr. Michael Brown www.revolutionnow.org

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16 Responses to “Is Divine Healing For Today?”

  1. Adam Brown said

    My question is what happens when someone with the proclaimed gift of healing and attempts to heal someone in the name of Jesus, but fails? Would this be like a sign of a false healer, similar to a false prophet? Many people pray for healing or lay hands on the sick and they are not healed. How do you answer these situations?

  2. Marcus said

    “My question is what happens when someone with the proclaimed gift of healing and attempts to heal someone in the name of Jesus, but fails? Would this be like a sign of a false healer, similar to a false prophet?”

    If by “proclaimed” you mean boastfully pronouncing that God always heals through them, then I don’t think “false healer” is too far off base. If by “proclaimed” you mean a humble saint that is known for functioning in the gift of healing, I think “false healer” is not accurate. I do think God gives grace to people as they attempt to grow in their healing gift, just as he does in other gifts.

    “Many people pray for healing or lay hands on the sick and they are not healed. How do you answer these situations?”

    Not to take your question lightly, but I would like to ask a more important question: Many Christians pray for healing and lay hands on the sick and they ARE healed, yet the vast majority of sick people never get prayed for. How do you answer this situation?

    As for what we say when people aren’t healed after prayer, I think our first response should be “God, I want to know you more.” True power doesn’t come through a formula, it comes through intimacy with God.

  3. ADB said

    Marcus, I agree with you and would add to your point there is not a one to one corellation between faith and healing. It is not the faith of the individual that heals, but the power of God. God of course is not bound to do what we ask. “His ways are higher than our ways.” I do believe that miraculous healing still takes place, but at the same time also know that many people for whom faithful saints have prayed die every day. For what it’s worth I tend to think that miracles do occur, but that they, by definition, are rare.

  4. Marcus French said

    “It is not the faith of the individual that heals, but the power of God.”

    How would you respond to all the scriptures in which Jesus says “your faith has made you well”, or various other phrasings of the same idea? I’m not saying we start condemning sick Christians by saying if they had more faith, they wouldn’t be ill, but there does seem to be at least some correlation between faith and power. From personal experience I can attest to the fact that many times the “gift of faith” immediately precedes times of flowing in supernatural gifts such as healing.

  5. I had a Christian friend that supported my ministry and was a personal support for many years.

    She developed a tumor on her chest and a grew fairly large in a short period of time even while undergoing treatment.

    She carried it in her arms like a baby.

    After failed treatments from the medical world she went to Benny Hinn… She made her way to the front to have lay his hands on her… When his assistants saw her the pushed her over on the stage to floor only to be trampled by others… She had to roll herself off the stage to avoid any more damage being stepped on.

    She never lost her faith in God but died a few months later. One of the last things she said to me was, “I know God can heal me but I do not know why he won’t…”

    When I first began ministry work, I attended a Pentecostal Church and over a couple years a regular member developed a tumor on her neck a little bigger than a soft ball. One day when we were singing praises she was speaking in tongues quietly to her self when suddenly, she began crying out, “Thank you Lord!” I was looking to the floor at the time and her Tumor fell off her neck, hitting the floor and rolled hitting the pew directly in front of me.

    I could only stare in amazement and disgust as the blob of flesh jiggled to a stop. She had no mark where the tumor was, no scar, no blood, no mark, no trace.

    Nothing but a Miracle.

    Is sickness and disease a result of Sin?

    Or is it a random occurrence for the Glorification of God?

    I would say it is all for the the Glory and hasn’t anything what so ever to do with Sin.

    But most assuredly has very little to with a any person… The supposed healer is little more than a willing conduit of a faithful servant.

    Healing can happen but has more to do with our thankful praises then a faithful person laying hands.

  6. ADB said

    Marcus,
    In answer to your question, I would say that it is Jesus who actually heals those individuals, and that he was respoding to their faith. Faith is essential to healing (I suppose someone who did not believe would never ask!), but it is the power of God that is the actual agent of the recovery. I think Christian thought still wrestles with understanding the exact relationship between the faith of the individual and God’s response, but we know that he does sometimes (sometimes because God does not always heal in answer to prayer as exemplified by Paul’s “thorn in the flesh”) heal in response to the prayers of the faithful. Anyway, by understanding that God is the agent of the healing and that we are simply the ones who ask, we avoid lifting up an individual as a “healer” and give the glory to the Lord. That’s my $.02 worth, at least.
    Best Wishes.

  7. Jeff Pate said

    I was a guest on Truth Talk Live a few years ago where I was defending the truth about God’s healing. I’d like to address what ADB said as I think this will help people understand the principles of the balance of grace and faith.

    ADB said, “I would say that it is Jesus who actually heals those individuals, and that he was respoding to their faith. Faith is essential to healing (I suppose someone who did not believe would never ask!), but it is the power of God that is the actual agent of the recovery. I think Christian thought still wrestles with understanding the exact relationship between the faith of the individual and God’s response,”

    I’ll compare the balance of grace and faith to salt. After all, Jesus said, “You are the salt of the earth.” Everyone understands the importance of salt in this world. Salt is comprised of two elements: Sodium and Chlorine. Separate, these elements are poisonous and will kill you. However, together in equal amounts, they make salt, which is essential to life. In the same way, God’s grace by itself will kill you because without faith, grace will not profit you. Similarly, faith alone (without God’s grace) will kill you because without God’s grace we are condemned. But together, and in equal amounts, grace and faith produces eternal life, which is why the Scripture says, “For by grace are you saved, through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.” [Ephesians 2:8]

    Grace is God’s part, and faith (given by God through His word) is our part. The Bible says that God “has given us ALL THINGS THAT PERTAIN TO LIFE AND GODLINESS through the knowledge of him who has called us to glory and virtue.” [2 Peter 1:3] And that God “has blessed us with ALL SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS in heavenly places in Christ.” [Ephesians 1:3] We are joint-heirs, which requires a “mutual” agreement to gain access into God’s grace (Romans 5:2).

    God’s will is extremely clear concerning healing and contained in the Scriptures as much as the word of God reveals His will concerning salvation and regeneration of the spirit. Healing is provided in the Atonement of Jesus Christ (Matthew 8:17; John 3:14-15; 1 Peter 2:24; Isaiah 53:4-5; Psalm 103:1-5; Psalm 107:20; Exodus 15:26), and like eternal life (salvation) it has appeared and offered to EVERY MAN (Titus 2:11). However, we know that NOT everyone will receive God’s grace, but it is not God who chooses… He supplies the faith to believe the gospel through His word (faith is an element of God’s word as much as oxygen and hydrogen are elements of water–read Romans 10:17) but it is ultimately up to the individual to respond to God’s word–to choose life, which is faith (Deuteronomy 30:19). Otherwise, it will not profit the person (Hebrews 4:2).

    Simply stated, “faith is a positive response to God’s grace.” God has done His part, which is grace; and it’s already accomplished in the spirit realm, which is why the Lord instructed us to pray and believe, “Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.”

    God is NOT stuck; and therefore, He is NOT the one who responds to us! We respond to Him! Religion teaches us that God responds to us or “moves” on our behalf. But the truth of Christianity teaches that God has already done everything for us and referring to healing, it is contained in the spirit realm of God’s grace. Romans 5:2 says that by Jesus we have “access into this grace by faith wherein we stand and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.” Access refers to admission; and I think standing is clear. It would be impossible to gain admission into a place that does not yet exist, or to stand in a place that is not yet provided.

    Let me ask this question, “Why, if God completely dealt with the sin problem, would He not completely deal with the byproducts of the sin problem, which is sickness?” Contrary to another writer… sickness is death and a curse brought on as a result of Adam’s sin. God has no purpose for sickness–other than for cursing, and the Bible says that through Jesus, we have been redeemed from the curse of the law, Jesus being made a curse for us (Deuteronomy 28 lists sickness as part of the curse). The truth is… God has dealt with sickness as completely as He has dealt with sin. This is why sin and sickness are frequently mentioned in the same context in the Bible. Healing of diseases, therefore, is a natural illustration of the spiritual truth of forgiveness/healing of sin. Jesus told His challengers, “So that you may know that the Son of man has power on earth to forgive sins (he said to the sick of the palsy) I say unto you, Arise, and take up your bed, and go your way into your house.” [Mark 4:10]

    ADB said, “but we know that he does sometimes (sometimes because God does not always heal in answer to prayer as exemplified by Paul’s “thorn in the flesh”) heal in response to the prayers of the faithful.”

    First of all, is God EVER the variable concerning His promises? If the word of God means anything to you then you’ll consider this,

    ~ “For all the promises of God in him are ‘Yes’ and ‘Amen’ to the glory of God by us.” [2 Corinthians 1:20]
    ~ “Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom is NO VARIABLENESS NEITHER SHADOW OF TURNING, of his own will he begat us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.” [James 1:16-18]

    Secondly, Paul’s thorn in the flesh was NOT… I repeat… WAS NOT SICKNESS! It is clear from the word of God that it was a “messenger of Satan to buffet” or torment him. This term “thorn in the flesh” is a biblical term that was used in the Old Testament to refer to “people” who would cause trouble for Israel (Numbers 33:55; Joshua 23:13; Judges 2:3). Simply, Paul’s thorn was a metaphor for all the hardships and persecution caused by people for the sake of the gospel, which is why the Lord reminded him that His grace was sufficient, but that He did not redeem us from being persecuted, but that we would “glory” in them.

    I have extensive teaching on healing on my web site if anyone would like to read. http://www.bovministries.net/Healing_Teaching.html or you may email me jeffpate@bovministries.net

  8. Jeff Pate said

    I apologize but the link to the teachings on healing is incorrect. Here’s the correct link:

    http://www.bovministries.net/Healing_Teachings.html

  9. Fred said

    How would you know if a “miracle” healing was due to your prayers to Jesus and not from someone else praying to Buddha or a Hindu God?

    I think that these stories of faith healing need to be approached with skepticism. Perhaps there are cases of remission or people who get well unexpectedly that baffle the Doctors and reinforce the ideas of Divine Healing. Think about all the Christians who have terminal medical conditions and think how very few of them are going to be healed “miraculously”.

    Then there are charlatans out there who are only too happy to take advantage of an emotionally charged Miracle Healing religious service.

    I don’t know why some people get well unexpectedly. I don’t see ascribe the phenomena to Divine Intervention. A fundamentalist Christian is too eager to do that in my humble opinion.

    An that story about a tumor falling off and jiggling on the floor? (see post #5) I can think of a much simpler explanation for what His Royal Highness observed than what is His Majesty suggests. Can’t you?

  10. F. L. A. said

    Welcome back to the party, King Thomas.

    John has healed people and many dogs before, mainly with his hands, but he’s not always very successful[thankfully most of the locals around here are afraid of John and so he’s rarely asked for any kind of magickal help.He hates being responsible for others recoveries, because people get all whiny and rude when they discover that they still have to wait, that the recovery isn’t instantaneous.Rotten ingrates.].
    He uses his personal power to “draw out” pain and aid in healing, but it only seems to work on “little” ailments.For example, nothing worse than a broken bone or an ear ache.The magick doesn’t heal these ailments instantly, but instead speeds up the healing processes, almost as an aid to the healing processes.It’s a weird thing. I’m not even sure if HE could explain how or why it works in a way that skeptics would find satisfying.
    The easiest way of putting it is to say something like”It’s just magick, which is a gift from the divine.And if it doesn’t always work as hoped, then it’s because the divine have other intentions.Maybe THEY think you deserve to suffer for this, eh?”.

  11. Chris C. said

    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

  12. John said

    Interesting site Chris C.
    [and now, to get on the bad side of the Christians here[frown]…]One thing though that I don’t know if you are familiar with yet,… did you know that there are bible verses which seeeeeeeeeeeeem[?] to imply that the Christian God does not favor the crippled and malformed[especially in regards to the testicles]?
    Would any of you like me to supply the scriptures that I may or may not have misunderstood? And then you can explain it to me, perhaps.

  13. I’d like to encourage all those who want to dig more deeply into the subject to get a copy of my book Israel’s Divine Healer. Although it is a technical, scholarly work, and although most of the volume is devoted to the Old Testament texts, I also treat the New Testament material as well, and the conclusions to the whole are quite readable. http://store.icnministries.org/books.html

    For those who learn better by listening, especially those who might be put off by the scholarly nature of Israel’s Divine Healer, I would recommend an in-depth audio series, I Am the Lord Your Healer. http://store.icnministries.org/audio.html

    The biggest issue for me is not personal experience (either pro or con) but rather, What does the Bible say? And to the extent we can do this, it’s important for us to step back from our presuppositions and what we have been taught and ask ourselves, “If I just read the Scriptures for myself, without knowing anything else, would I believe that divine healing is for today?” I am personally convinced that the answer is clearly “Yes.”

  14. F. L. A. said

    It’s a difficult thing, to step away from our presuppositions and what we’ve been taught, Dr.Micheal L. Brown.Gained knowledge effects EVERYTHING.

  15. Ben Maulis said

    “one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see.”

  16. Jeff Pate said

    Dr. Brown is correct… too often we try to dictate or measure the truths of God’s word by our experience, or the experiences of others, instead of allowing the truths of God’s word to affect and produce our experience. You cannot grow anything without first planting a seed. It is the seed that produces, which Jesus said is God’s word. Experience, therefore, is a fruit or byproduct of what a person believes and acts upon, “As a man thinks in his heart so is he.” [Proverbs 23:7]

    The lack of experience or manifestation of healing DOES NOT prove God’s word to be untrue just as much as the experience of healing proves God’s word to be true. God’s word is Truth regardless of whether we experience the benefits of it or not. The Bible says, “What if some did not believe? Shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid. Yea, let God be true and every man a liar.” [Romans 3:3-4]

    Especially in cases of healing when there is a manifestation, often the person transfers his or her faith from God’s word to the manifestation. When people do this, they have moved from true faith, which is spiritual, to a carnal (of the senses) type of faith. This is the reason many whom have been healed “lose” their healing–because they are no longer trusting in God’s word, but in a manifestation. Even when there is a manifestation of healing, a person must continue to rely upon the truths of God’s word, because symptoms and physical circumstances can change and we know that our bodies can deceive us, but God’s word does NOT change.

    To respond to F.L.A’s statement, “It’s a difficult thing, to step away from our presuppositions and what we’ve been taught, Dr.Micheal L. Brown.Gained knowledge effects EVERYTHING.”

    He is correct, which is why the Bible says, “And be not conformed to this world, but be transformed by the RENEWING OF YOUR MIND, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable, and perfect will of God.” [Romans 12:2]

    In order to experience the will of God in your life, you must change the way you think. This too comes from knowledge… but correct knowledge only will produce these results.

    Wrong knowledge = Wrong faith = Wrong results

    Conversely… Correct knowledge = Correct faith = Correct results

    The Bible says, “Grace and peace are multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, according as his divine power has given unto us all things that pertain to life and godliness through the knowledge of him who has called us to glory and virtue.” [2 Peter 1:2-3]

    Grace and peace are multiplied in your life through the knowledge of God as declared and manifested in Jesus Christ. Additionally, God’s power has given to us ALL THINGS that pertain to life and godliness, and these are received through knowledge.

    The Lord spoke through the prophet Hosea saying, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.” [Hosea 4:6]

    This is problem with the majority of the Christian church (the world as well)… we have tons of knowledge, but it is NOT correct knowledge. Otherwise, we would be getting better results.

    For those of you who can’t handle the scholarly approach of Dr. Brown’s book, I strongly suggest “Christ the Healer” by F.F. Bosworth or “Healing the Sick” by T.L. Osborn.

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