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Today’s Show: Is it ever a Sin to Speed?

Posted by truthtalklive on April 4, 2008

Robby Dilmore is filling in for Stu today, discussing the question if its ever in God’s Will to speed. For more information on Robby visit www.christiancarguy.com.

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8 Responses to “Today’s Show: Is it ever a Sin to Speed?”

  1. Jim said

    First – I do think it is a sin to speed, we are to obey the laws of the land. Yet I do speed
    😦 However, we all sin and fall short 🙂

    The issue with speeding and the death and accident statistics are a real problem. I however do not believe that the issues are due to speed. The issues are more along the lines of lack of driver education. I am a professinal driver and instructor for BMW. The lack of understanding of what it takes to really drive a car at 55-65mph, let alone 70-80mph, is the real problem when it comes to these accidents. With what I do every day it amazes me that people make it from home to work on a daily basis regardless of their speed!!

    So in summary. Yes, in my opinion speeding is a sin so it should not be done. Also due to the lack of proper training, and vehicle understanding, speeding should not be done.

    Training is what is needed…..and prayer of course 🙂

    Have a blessed day

    Jim

  2. CarGuy37 said

    I think that speeding is in fact covered by the 5th commandment, “Honor your father and mother.” This teaches us to to respect authority for if we cannot obey the authority of our parents, how can we obey God’s authority? And this extends to civil obedience as well, as long as it doesn’t conflict with True Authority. Unfortunately on this matter please do as I say, not as I do. If I kept this commandment better, I might be given a better Internet name, like CarGuy38. Unfortunately I feel more pragmatic in practice on the issue than dogmatically opposed.

    I would like to comment on Robby’s proposal (by doing the speed limit, we save 93 million gallons of oil weekly): interesting proposal but I don’t think it fixes anything long term.

    To truly make a difference, public opinion must change. Public opinion is expressed through spending dollars. Until Johnny Public decides that fuel economy is important (and buy accordingly), Mr. Automobile Manufacturer will continue to sell more of the same.

    Now I must first give credit where credit is due; current cars do a lot of work on a single gallon of gasoline. Let’s take a Hummer H3 at 13mpg. Terrible you say? Have you ever run a half marathon? While pulling 6,000lbs? With three friends on your back? At 65mph? I didn’t think so.

    But the real problem is that average fuel economy of automobile fleets averages around 20mpg (Honda’s around 24mpg). I think we want this number higher, right? Well about thirty years ago, the average fuel economy of vehicles was around 18mpg. So after all of this development, the advent of the computer and complicated simulators, prolific usage of newer, lighter, stronger materials and this is all we have to show? Well, our average 0-60 has dropped about two seconds. Two seconds! We are indebted to our enemies over the Big Pond for a measly two seconds. This is what Public Opinion asks for (read “spends their money on”).

    In case you haven’t seen, we’re embarking on what is known as “the horsepower wars”. Family sedans don’t have 125hp, they have 250hp. Sports cars don’t have 250hp, they have 500hp. In typically American fashion, if a little of something is good, then more must be better. I say this is a byproduct of an discontent culture, filling our spiritual vacuum with Materialism, and demanding it so, but this is a different topic all together.

    Some people suggest taxing the pants off of gas, because then we’ll use less gas (external pressure to force consumers into buying more fuel efficient cars; this has worked in Europe). I say this is a terrible idea. The last thing our government needs is more money. I believe it was Samuel that said that taxation of 10% was tyranny!

    So CarGuy37, what do we do? You’re a self professing car guy, surely you have a solution. I’m glad you asked.

    I think that automobile manufacturers need to make a gentlemen’s agreement, no cars or truck sold will have more than 300hp. With this artificial constraint, much will avail; allow me to explain.

    First, where does cool new car technology come from? Answer: sports cars. People pay a premium for these vehicles and this funds new technology. Here’s the thing, we already know how to make 300hp. We can do that with our left hand tied behind our back. This then places pressure on manufacturers to make lighter cars in order to be “sportier”. A $50,000 sports car will have 300hp, and weigh 2,400lbs. A $100,000 sports car will have 300hp, and weigh 2,000lbs. A $250,000 sports car will have 300hp and weigh 1,600lbs. And each car keeps the same amenities: A/C, ABS, six airbags, etc.

    Now check this out:
    $50,000, 300hp, 2400lbs -> 0-60mph in 5sec, 25mpg highway
    $100,000, 300hp, 2000lbs -> 0-60mph in 4sec, 30mpg highway
    $250,000, 300hp, 1600lbs -> 0-60mph in 3sec, 35mpg highway

    Each successive car will get better gas mileage and better performance. And now the kicker: we are financing technology (lightweight materials) that will actually trickle into Joe Ordinary’s car. By making the production of lightweight materials affordable, regular cars get lighter, and now necessitate smaller engines, getting better gas mileage.

    On the flip side, consumers will need to compromise on some level. I think the Honda Fit is an amazing car. It’s reliable, safe, roomy, inexpensive and thrifty on fuel. People don’t buy it because they want a faster 0-60mph, and foresee a day where they’ll want to buy a ladder from Lowe’s, so they get a V8 Tundra instead. I’m not saying that buying a Tundra is wrong (especially with gas as cheap as it is), but I am saying that Tundra owners really don’t care about fuel economy. I’ll even go a step further; it requires 4x the amount of energy to manufacture a Prius then it does a Corolla. You will never make up this offset in energy no matter how many hybrid miles you put on your “green” car. Offloading the responsibility of burden doesn’t buy you any credit in my book. But if you just like cool toys, appreciate it’s forward looking design, and don’t care about “global warming” (big crock of you ask me, but again that’s another topic), then the Prius is actually a wonderful car (no sarcasm, I mean it).

    So the solution is really two fold. Consumers need to be responsible (and put their money where their mouth is) and Car Companies need to show some initiative towards my genius plan. That’s it, I think I’m done.

  3. William in GA said

    Yes, speeding is a sin. We are told in the Bible to obey the laws of the land.

    Some say that, by speeding, they get home faster and have more time to spend with their family. Consider this:
    AT 50 mph it takes an hour to go 50 miles. AT 60 mph it only takes 50 minutes. This is a “savings” of only 10 minutes. Most of us have much less than a 50 mile commute. So, Do we really “save” anough time to really matter. I would say that safety and saving gas is more important than “only a few minutes” savings for family’s sake. I would think that these factors would mean more to your family than an extra “few” (very few) minutes.

  4. Robby Dilmore said

    For Car Guy 37, more horse power doos not mean less gas mileage, take the Chrysler Hemi that came out in the 300 and the Rams 20% better gas mileage less displacement, 350 horsepower sweeeet!!! the old 5.9 waas a gas sucking 210hp….lot of answers..stop speeding stop sinning..

  5. Steve said

    I see people with little fishes on the back of their cars flying through traffic or at least going with the flow of it at ten or more over any given limit. Presumably they think it is ok to speed because everybody else is doing it or they feel they are too important and busy to obey the law. Kind of like Christian life in general. We do what the world does and assume we can get away with it because we are Christians and are forgiven. Shouldn’t we as Christians use this as a way to show the world that we are different from the world by obeying the speed limit. Maybe they would think we are obedient in other areas too. As it stands, I am sure the world looks at the little fish on the car and says…huh, some Christian, they are just as bad as me…maybe we live like the world in all areas…sex outside of marriage etc.

  6. CarGuy37 said

    Robby, I don’t want to get into an huge debate here but I have whole heartedly believe that more horsepower means worse gas mileage.

    Gasoline is an energy storage medium. Horsepower is the rate at which we use energy. If we assume our energy starts at some fixed value (a full gas tank) then we conserve our energy resource (gas) by slowing the rate at which we use it (less power). This is evident in two examples: 1)you get better mileage at 55mph than you do at 65mph and 2)city mpg is always worse than highway.

    Smaller engines are more efficient at turning gas into power. Again by example, a Honda S2000 has a 2.2L engine making 240hp (109hp/L) while a Corvette Z06 has a 7.0L making 505hp (72hp/L).

    So Chrysler made the Hemi to produce more power and get better gas mileage. What if instead Chrysler made their Hemi smaller and more efficient, yet still “only” producing 210hp? I guarantee we would see a dramatic improvement in fuel economy, but Mr. Consumer won’t buy a 210hp sedan. So who’s fault is it really?

    And just for posterity, I felt convicted going over the speed limit today, so I slowed down. I guess the Holy Spirit is working overtime on us TTL listeners!

    Here’s a couple other ideas that I’ve been wrestling with:
    -What is the minimum speed limit?
    If I call exceeding the speed limit a sin and refuse to dishonor God is said behavior, then I should travel below the speed limit so that I don’t accidentally exceed it. I deem it unsafe to constantly be watching my speed, especially when cruise control is not an option. But it’s also unsafe to be the “slow” guy in a “fast” moving world.
    And if I’m truly concerned about being good stewards of what God has placed on this earth (oil), then shouldn’t my driving habits reflect this? Should I go so far as to conserve momentum going down hills (and lose it going up)? And what if this causes me to break the speed limit?

    I think I’m giving myself a headache! God Bless!

  7. Robby Dilmore said

    My belief is that displacement is what really determines fuel usage. As the piston comes down the vacuum draws the air fuel mixture into the area available. More area, more fuel. If that fuel is used more efficentiently is creates more hp. Examples:more compression, better fuel atomization, better air flow. That’s why Hemispherical heads, fuel injection systems, better exhaust systems all create a better burn.
    Fuel injection took those 4cyl honda engines and made them hummm, (more hp), but still got better economy than the carburetor versions, because fuel injection get better atomization. Your view would be correct assuming we are getting maximum efficiency from the combustion process. If we stifle the creative desire for more hp we will never see the ultimate fuel economy in my opinion. Take all that technology and put it in a very small displacement engine and then you will see ultimate fuel economy. I agree that if you use all the hp available you would consume more fuel, however having sold vehicles for years,(too many to mention)many drivers use more fuel when their vehicles are under powered, when the vehicle won’t get going they floor it and use all 210hp. Such is the case especially in trucks that tow. But, when you start off with 350hp and you barely touch the accelerator you don’t feel the need to floor it.
    Also, the Hemi is a multi-displacement engine running on 4cyls when your at a constant speed. But no matter, In a few years we will be using fuel cells or something better. That’s my view.

  8. kaylan werley said

    i believe you are right.
    i was wondering if you think that if everyone would strike gas stations for one day that oil companies would immediately lower gas prices?
    and i was wondering if you and aunt tammy missed me?
    please write back as soon as possible

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