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Would You Attend Church in a Bar?

Posted by truthtalklive on March 13, 2008

Stu is back in the chair talking to Pastor Will Plitt. Discussing the topic of churches in bars. For more information on his ministry visit www.121church.org

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21 Responses to “Would You Attend Church in a Bar?”

  1. magicalhats15 said

    Why wouldn’t we? You don’t go to church to booze it up, and if others are there to do so, then you have found those people to whom you need most to preach.

  2. Scott said

    Actually, at the time our church has corporate worship, we are not allowed to serve alcohol. You can’t sell before noon in NC on Sunday.

  3. magicalhats15 said

    Just wondering, how does the bar feel about you telling their primary customers that being drunk is sinful?

  4. kevin said

    Some of you folks are so closed minded! You have your entire faith stuck in a building! Do you think Rev. Billy Graham holding sevices in secular establishments? We hold youth conventions where Marlyn Mason has played(oh no!!!!!!!!!) If no one shows up at the building you hold your services in this Sunday is it still a church? The people are the church and dont you ever forget it! The bottom lone is go and reach people in the world no matter where they are at!

  5. magicalhats15 said

    Kevin… = \
    How many people called in disagreeing? And how many have agreed? You are outraged at something that is not there. You just assume there are people who disagree because you think that is what most people should be doing.

  6. Linda said

    I can’t imagine why the location of a church meeting is an issue at all. Drunkenness is a sin, but drinking is not. However, when the church meets, the restaurant is closed, and there is no alcohol served. I would go there for dinner; so would many other Christians. Why, then, would I not go there for a church service??

  7. Scott said

    magicalhats15…
    I haven’t actually asked them that question, but I am under the assumption that they encourage responsible drinking like most other establishments.

  8. Fred said

    How many of us like beer or wine occasionally?

  9. John said

    Count me out! Blaaaugh!

  10. Linda said

    Fred,

    Great question. I wonder how many people that call them themselves Christians and go to churches that wrongly teach drinking alcohol is a sin and then sign “membership covenants” that state that they will not drink, and then secretly do it anyway? That’s living a repressed life of bondage to morality, and not being free in Christ. Bottom line – drink or don’t drink for the right reasons.

  11. Luke said

    This was a great show and the guest was spot on. It’s a shame that much of the Church at least in the south has been wrong on this issue. It’s one thing to have a bad theology, and it’s another thing to turn that bad theology into bad law. In South Carolina we still have blue laws which prohibit the sale of alcohol on Sundays. American Christians don’t know their Bible or their history. Alcohol in both communion and in everyday life was a regular part of Christian practice for almost two millenia before the american revivalist-temperance nonsense. True, some people have a problem with alcohol, but the problem is not the alcohol. Some people abuse marriage too, so I guess we should get rid of that. I recommend a great book on this issue titled “Drinking with Calvin and Luther.”
    I appreciated your guest and the work he’s doing. I’ll be thanking God for him and his work tonight while I drink my pint and smoke my pipe.

  12. Barbara said

    Enjoyed the show and am rejoicing that there is a place that I can now come to worship our Lord Jesus, a community that holds the doctrine of truth from the Word! Amen!

  13. Ben Maulis said

    The question is a lot like, “can you go into a temple and eat food offered to an idol?” Paul deals with it explicitly and completely in 1 Corinthians 8. There’s really nothing more need to be said.

  14. a said

    i don’t see the corelation between the two questions. scripture teaches us to be in worship continually – so whether i am at home, one a bus or in a microbrewery – i should be in an attitude of worship to Jesus.

    1 cor 8 is speaking to those who were going to places known as temples to pagan Gods, and eating the sacrificed food to those false gods. i don’t think that restaurants that serve alcohol qualify as temples of false gods.

  15. Ben Maulis said

    Sounds like a match to me. But what does it say? It actually tells us we have liberty to do that, but warns us not to use our liberty to make a weaker brother stumble. If you eat a burger in a family restaurant that serves beer and wine, that’s less likely to cause a brother to stumble, than if one were to see or hear about your church’s “worship services” at the topless lounge owned by a criminal biker gang where scantily clad cocktail waitresses serve hard liquor and the bar tender deals drugs out of the register. By all means I recommend preaching the word outside such an establishment. I do preach outside bars, but I do not go in them by choice because the word tells me to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather to reprove them. I am also instructed to avoid the appearance of evil.

  16. a said

    we are called to be IN the world and not OF the world. if we were called not to be in fellowship (personal relationship) with the unfruitful (anyone who does not know Jesus is unfruitful and evil), then no one would ever have the opportunity to hear (faith comes by hearing, hearing by the Word of God) about Jesus. Does that mean we condone anothers sin – never, but we love them inspite of their sin nature. it is the sin that needs reproving, the soul that needs Jesus.

    you’ve taken 1 thess 5:22 completely out of context. in fact, it is saying not to despise prophetic utterances (visions and the like), but to use discernment, not to say that the proclamation of God’s Word (through prophecy) isn’t important – then what is found to be good, keep and what is found to be evil, stay away from.

  17. Philip said

    The question we should be asking ourselves…
    is not “where is the line between good and evil?”
    Rather, we should be asking “what is the best!”

    In other words, instead of approaching your decisions
    seeking to know if you are “allowed” to do “this or that”,
    seek to know what is the “best” answer.

    In this particular situation, the question should not be
    “can we have our church in the microbrewery?” Our question
    should be “where is the best place for us to meet?”

  18. Maz said

    Philip: You have it in a nutshell! Where should we be when we worship God corporately, together as believers of the Lord Jesus Christ?…..in a Church.
    And where do those that like their drink go?……to a bar.

  19. Eric said

    I heard the first 30 minutes of the show the other day and was surprised that everyone was for it. In the town I live in, there is a church who has a bible study in a bar one evening each week, while most are drinking a beer. With so many young people losing their lives on the roads today due to alcohol, I think the idea of mixing the gospel with alcohol provides a HUGE stumbling block, especially in our culture today. Teenagers and college-age kids do not start drinking because they like the taste. And the majority do not drink, like one would a soda. Christians can and need to meet unbelievers where they are at, but can do so without the hint of promoting the thing that is taking so many lives today.

  20. Elias said

    @ Eric

    As a Christian college student, i started drinking beer because i liked the taste. Making such a gross generalization as you did is a bit on the silly side. As it is, i drink beer that tastes good and though others might not agree with that taste, i don’t see how that’s an issue.

    Secondly, remember, not only did Jesus turn the water into wine, he also ate with tax collectors. Do you honestly believe that these raucus men were mearly drinking Biblical ‘soda’? I’d bet my last dollar that they were drinking wine and whatever else alcoholic beverages they had at that time. Jesus had no problem eating with them, so why should we?

    @ Philip

    Who’s to say that a bar isn’t the best place for them to meet? We have two congregations in my town that meet in a bar of some sort because it’s the only place in town, including church buildings, that doesn’t charge rent, which they cannot afford given their attendance size. The good is not always the enemey of the best.

    @ Maz

    Remember, the ‘Church’ is the christian believers all across the world and throught history. A ‘church’ is anyware people are gathered in the name of God to worship Him. In that instance, a Bar becomes a church for a portion of The Church.

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