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Should Christian parents pull their children out of government schools?

Posted by truthtalklive on March 3, 2008

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44 Responses to “Should Christian parents pull their children out of government schools?”

  1. Educated Dawg said

    Should Christian parents pull their children out of government schools? A B S O L U T E L Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    God intended the parents to be the teachers. Not a secular antiChrist institution……..

  2. Anonymous said

    What and give up on the God hating socialistic system that takes guys like Chris from a Christian family and convinces his young impressionable mind that evolution is fact? That would be… unAmerican!!

  3. Anonymous said

    by home schooling, don’t you think the level of education will decline, we’d all be like little house on the praire. Ma an Pa will learn us the right way uh huh

  4. Drew said

    Now you got me fired up:
    Taking your children out of the public school is not the answer!!!!!

    1st Like your last caller, it should not be our financial responsibility to educate our children. The constitution requires that each state provide education. If the money followed the student to private school then yes, send them to private school.
    So you say what about Home School it is much cheaper: sure but what about those Christians that can’t teach worth a flip. That is a case for generational stupidity.

    2nd Just because the government ties educator hands, doesn’t mean that there aren’t great Christian teachers out there. I run a public school in which every teacher is a Christian.

    3rd Parents send there children to school like blank slates, allowing the system to scribe every thought of the child. Children that come to school prepared by there parents are equipped to handle the situations and discern for themselves whether the information they hear is worth it’s salt.

    4th We need to send our children in to the school to win souls for Christ not avoid the sinners. Even teachers know which students are Christian. Students have the right to instigate religious topics in the class.

    5th Why do we Christians and those of other faiths allow the minority to dictate what we teach in the schools? Let’s make our vote count.

    6th I could go on all day just try me!

  5. Drew said

    The last caller missed it! Tell me why then if nearly 80+ teachers are liberal and have no prob. sharing their veiws in the classroom, do more than half of our students graduate highschool with a moderate to conservative veiw?

  6. Anonymous said

    go drew go drew its your birthday!!!! you go boy

  7. Drew said

    for the Atheist that just called: Read Tim Keller’s new book. A Reason for God ….

  8. Luke said

    Awesome program. I agree 100% on this.

    Luke Harding
    2nd Generation Homeschooler in South Carolina

  9. Educated Dawg said

    It is pretty much shown that homeschooled kids get higher grades and are more equipped to go to college or work force than public school educated kids.

    It is the parents responsibility, not the government to educate our own kids. Why send your kids to a secularized institution that will not reference God, let alone Jesus Christ? If a Christian can financially afford it, keep your kids at home and homeschool them. That is the very best thing for all Christian parents to do. All other options are second class. Circumstances dictate what a Christian parent can afford to do. But let your goal be to homeschool 1st – Christian private school 2nd – public school very last.

  10. Chris C. said

    Not everything that is taught in public schools is true. Also, compared to many countries, our schools do a particularly poor job or math and science education.

    To counter this, it should be the duty of all parents to teach their children critical thinking skills. What it should not be the duty of parents to do is to force children to accept certain things ‘just because.’

    If you’re keeping your kids out of public schools for purely religious reasons, I have to ask, “to what end?” Do you think they will always be protected from the outside world? Why not just set up little bubble of christianity for like-minded people to live in?

  11. Educated Dawg said

    Chris C.,

    Being an atheist, you wouldn’t understand why we choose to keep our kids out of public school.

    To give you assurance, we do indeed teach our kids critical thinking, only with a Biblical foundation/world-view. For me, it is not a purely religious reason, even though that is a big part of it. The public school system has failed society miserably. I have to give my tax dollars to it, but I don’t have to send my child.

  12. Chris C. said

    Being a former Christian, product of a religious school, and son to religious parents, I might :).

  13. Drew said

    Edu. Dawg – I agree public education is nowhere close to where it should be. But you can’t keep your children under the proverbial rock their whole lives. The school is a perfect place for them to face and conquer their own doubts about their faith being challenge a bit at the time. Where as, if you raise a child in a closed arena they will be unable to defend their own beliefs. This is probably what happened to Chris the atheist from above. Although I will give him kudos for being open minded and participating in the discussion. What you are asking is equivalent to Dr. Spock telling parents not to spank their kids. Well parents stopped spanking but did not know any other means of behavior modification. The same thing would happen if Christian parents pulled their kids out of public school. The overwhelming majority of parents could not afford private school and a larger majority would not know the first thing about home schooling.

  14. Drew said

    The answer is increase parental involvement in the existing school system. Privatize the entire system much like European countries do. Each school would then be able to pick there curriculum. Make the money follow the child. Expel students that interrupt the education of others. ( This world still need labors, we don’t all have to be college educated) Vote into office leaders that will uphold the constitution, not misguided quotes from long dead Jeffersonian’s.
    I wrote a farce of an article about this if you want it send me an email volleyadams@yahoo.com

    Oh and by the way the Apostles were not home schooled either. Jesus was the first Christian Public School Teacher, He taught to all not just the ones who were aready Christian.

  15. Drew said

    typo Their not there

  16. jAsOn said

    I believe Paul makes such debates clearly a matter off Christian Liberty along with feasts and holidays, etc, and no one has biblical warrant to suggest that every parent without exception should remove their children from public schools. My wife and I happen to home school our 6 year old, and plan on doing so until convinced we should do otherwise, and we frankly would not send our children to any of the area “Christian” Schools (save one)because they are largely Arminian in their theology and non-classical in their approach to education–so just because a school calls itself Christian does not mean that my wife and I would agree with everything the school teaches, thus that is not sufficient enough reason to pulling kids out of public schools. My wife attended “Christian” schools and,along with the testimony of others because of those experiences, we surmise that attendance at such places does not prevent the exposure of our children to worldly ideas. I would also like to know if the host or others would abdicate Christian public school teachers quit their jobs.


  17. christian mom said

    I am a firm beliver that we as Christians are called to be salt and light. I do not believe we are called to add to or translate to other believers and especially non-belivers what is certainly not sin. To tell parents that they are sinners for sending their children to public school is wrong and it fits the sterotype of what the non christian world thinks we have become. I am a conservative christian mom and have been given stewardship over two bueatiful girls. I teach my girls that they are to be different in this world and to look for people and issues where they can serve others. You can do this from a home school or public school. Let’s talk about the real issues of sin that plague our kids today and try to find what would Jesus do? He certainly would not hide from the problem, he would change it.

  18. Hope Epperson said

    well i think that some times you have to because some of the things that they do teach there but also it is good to keep the kids in the school because they can be a witness and the Lord is so happy to see us wittnessing and telling His good works.

  19. First of all, THANKS for taking the time to listen to the program! Secondly, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts on this blog!

    I’m going to write a brief comment to every point made above, from the first to the most recent, in order!

    1. Is it our role as parents to be the primary teachers of our children? “Public School” in America did not happen until the 1840’s…before that is was church-based, home-based or village-based. Parents & Believers controlled it all, so they were still the primary source of teaching. The bible clearly lays the responsibility on us parents to teach our children..it never makes a case to “farm it out”, and expressely condemns leading them astray in Matthew 18:6. Handing them over to a secular system for 13 years and 17,000 hours of mostly anti-Christian worlviews does just that. To think it doesn’t is willful ignorance. Go spend a full day in any government school in America.

    2. Funny sarcasm!

    3. Ignorant comment. Home schoolers in America consistently outperform government school students across the board. Do some research and see for yourself.

    4. First, money should never come before the welfare of our children’s hearts, souls and minds. Who cares if the government steals our money to pay for it’s schools? My children are more important to me than my money. You don’t have to be a certified teacher to be a great homeschooler. You don’t do it in a vacuum. There are amazing resources and support groups. Besides, don’t you think God can play a role in this? After all, Gideon faced 120,000 men with a band of 300. How big is your God, anyway? This is about FAITH.

    Secondly, there are great Christian teachers out there! Their main commission (like ours) is to reach the LOST. NOTE: 83% 0f Americans claim to be “Chrsitians”, but only 8% of them believe Jesus is the only way, the bible is inerrant, Satan is real, sharing your faith is required and God is still active in the affairs of men today. Of the 75% left, over half of them think you can “work your way into heaven”. Be careful when you say, “They are all Christians”. Belief in God or god does not make one a Christian (…even the demons believe, and shutter)

    Thirdly, I agree if you are talikg about children who are old enough and well trained enough to handle the onslaught of anti-Christ teaching and worldview…but 6-10 year-olds? Come on!

    Fourthly, studies show that 95% of Christians never personally lead anyone to Christ, so to say that if Christian children are “in there” they are leading other kids to Christ id uninformed. I hope it’s true at your school, but that would be a MAJOR exception to the rule. I SAY: TEACH THEM AT HOME FIRST, THEN WHEN THEY ARE PREPARED – SEND THEM INTO BATTLE.

    Fifth…Amen brother. Believers need to quit whining and start engaging! It’s the churches fault that the culture is slipping away.

    5. Show me those statistics, Drew! A more important finding is this: over 85% of churched kids these days walk away from their faith in college and after they graduate! WHY? Government Schools + Inadequate Christian Worldview Training + Poor Modeling of Authentic Christianity at Home = FALL AWAY! Shame on all of us.

    6. Happy Birthday, Drew!

    7. Pray for the Atheist..he was a really nice guy.

    8. Thanks, Luke! Create a third generation of homeschoolers in your family!

    9. Circumstances dictate what a Christian can afford to do??? What about God? What about obedience to His ways? If we were more frugal and modest, most of us could afford to do a lot more for the Kingdom. The average churchgoer in America gives 2.3% of their income to charities/church while spending over 5% on entertainment. If we were more obedient stewards there would be a lot more money to spend on this subject (both as individuals as well as help from churches for parents who need it to send kids to private Christian schools).

    10. I have to use the war analogy here…train them FIRST, then send them into hostile territory. Christians should NEVER live in a bubble, but they should always “be prepared to give an answer for the hope that they have” (Peter’s epistle). I’m not hiding my children from the world..I am preparing them to go out into it.

    11. Amen..but remember our how our atheist friend answered the question, “Would you send yor kids to a conservative, evangelical school?” He was quiet, then had to admit he would not. Case closed.

    12. Chris C. – why did you leave the faith? I’d love to dialog with you outside this blog.

    13. I am not advocating “keeping them under the rock their entire lives”…merely keeping them in the nest until they can fly on their own. I still think you are underestimating the DAMAGE done by all those hours of anti-Christian worldview. Again, get’em ready and then charge HELL with a bucket of holy water! 🙂

    14. Amen to increased parental involvement…I do that an my kids are home schooled…it’s called “Loving your neighbor as yourself” (including their kids). By the way, Jesus was an adult and didn’t enter into that ministry until he was 30! He taught in the synagoges when he was 12…but then again, He was the ONE AND ONLY!

    15. Drew might be an English Composition teacher!

    16. I dont thnk protecting the hearts, souls and minds of our children is a matter of “liberty”…it’s hardly on par with eating meat. I don’t think Christian teachers in government schools should quit! They are on mission! We need to pray for them by name! Come on, church! Let’s support these loving warriors!

    17. Good points, but again I have to go to the age of the child and how much of the Salt & Light burden they can reasonably carry. Sending an untrained soldier off to war is not some form of valor…it is reckless abandonment. If it isn’t sin, how to you deal with Matthew 18:6?


    God bless you all AND may He forgive our sins and heal our land (@ Chronicles 7:14).

    Steve Noble

  20. Candace said

    I must confess that I have toyed with the idea of homeschooling my 3 kids. There are several reasons that I chose not to.

    Being the Mom it would fall to me to be the teacher. God has given me talents, but teaching (outside of the Bible, for we are all called to do that) is not one of them. I have enough trouble getting my kids to do their homework. My sister taught at several different Christian schools and saw some homeschooled children who had recieved an exellent education at home, but more who came into school far behind their peers with an “It doen’t matter if I do this work or not.” kind of attitudes, and interaction issues. I’m sure that there are more good homeschoolers than bad, but I know my weaknesses enough to know that I would not be one of them.

    There is another reason that I won’t homeschool my children. I expect my children to go to College or University one day, I expect them to leave home and go out into various workplaces. I know that when this happens my window of influence over them will probably be very small, if any. I want my kids to encounter other beliefs, and even persecution, while my husband and I still have an influence on them. We can go to God together. We can guide them in what is right and how to deal with other schools of thought, and other experiences. Teach them that the teacher is human too. They deserve respect, but they are not always going to be right. Their parents (us) are not always going to be right either. They need to look to God for truth. Textbooks, news media, and even preachers should never be believed blindly. They need to learn, not only what they believe, but also why they believe it(hopefully not just because Dad and Mom said so).

    Yes there are risks with public schools, but there are also risks with private schools, and even homeschooling. We sent our kids to public school until the oldest was in grade 5. We heard of some issues dealing with sex education from some other parents with kids in grade 6 and decided to move our kids to the catholic school, even though most of our kids’ teachers so far had been Christian. At least 3 of those teachers took the risk to start the day with the Lord’s Prayer or another prayer. We sometimes wonder if we made the right choice.

    They learn a lot of good thing at the Catholic school, but the are also being taught things like evolution. They have been taught many good prayers, but also prayers to angels and deified people. They have also been taught, in religion class, that the bible is not to be taken literally. It is a collection of stories to teach us a lesson. We have friends at a different Christian school in town, and they say it is no better.

    The key is to teach our children the things of God. Be interrested in what’s going on in their lives, and always make yourself available when they want to talk. The biggest issues that our kids have had to deal with have come from kids in our own neighborhood. The type of school they were in would not have protected them from these things, but because of the things we taught them at home, they made some wise choices that saved them alot of pain and difficulty.

  21. Philip said

    The key is to teach our children the things of God.

    Right. So why are you sending your children to secular humanist schools?

  22. jAsOn said

    Again, I remind you all that this decision is an issue of Christian liberty, like styles of music, dress, movies, and consumption of alcohol.

  23. Tim said

    Run for your lives! It’s public school!

    Come on guys. Isn’t God a little bigger than “public education?” I think if parents are doing their duties at home, the child will be adequately prepared for public school. If their primary Christian training is from the home, they’ll be able to filter what they learn through the lens of the Bible while at school. Isn’t that something we do 24/7 anyways?

    I grew so much in my faith while attending public schools, because not only did I have a support group of friends at school who had similar beliefs, but I also was able to encounter opposing viewpoints that I probably would not have while being homeschooled. It was precisely these opposing viewpoints that helped strengthen my own Christian viewpoints. I wasn’t damaged by these “anti-Christian” ideas (which, honestly, there weren’t that many), but just the opposite!

    Bottom line:

    Homeschooling– That’s fine.
    Public schooling– That’s okay too.

    But let’s not try to qualify either as being the better choice. It’s more of a personal preference. There are pros and cons to both.

  24. NICKY said


  25. Chris C. said


    Bad things happen to students everywhere. I went to public school until the 7th grade and then to a private Christian school through middle and high school. I can tell you there were behavior problems in both places, students acting up, teachers saying things they shouldn’t have, etc. That is just the nature of school and the nature of what happens whenyou get lots of immature people together in one place.

    Also, every child is a non-theist. No one is born ‘christian’, ‘hindu’, or ‘muslim’. We wouldn’t ever say, “oh, look at the nice young Marxist boy!” or “Isn’t he a precious little republican!” But essentially that is what you do when you ascribe the religion of the parents to the child. Our public schools are designed (although not perfectly effective) to teach children about the world, about language, math, science, etc. Religion should have no part of it, at least not in a proseletyzing way. Religion is for parents and churches to instruct.

    You correctly say home-schooling is very difficult to ‘pull-off’. Indeed it is a big committment. But, by and large, it has negative effects on children. Certainly I have known people who were homschooled and were well educated and normal people. But children need the social environment of a school. They need the more rigorous structure of a classroom. Schools teach us many lessons that we often cannot receive from mom and dad.

    I don’t have any problem with parents wanting to teach their children certain things not taught in public school. That is one of the fundamental rights people have in America. But without generally standardized cirriculum, America’s future generations would be less educated. Also, how are colleges supposed to know whom to admit when everyone is homeschooled? Take mom and dad’s word for it?

  26. Philip said


    Public schools DO teach a religion, Secular Humanism. Just as no one is born “christian”, neither are they born “secular humanist”. The question on this thread is “Should Christian parents pull their children out of government schools (where they are taught Secular Humanism rather than Christianity)?”

    I agree with you that curriculum is VERY IMPORTANT. I expect all of us would not send our children to a Nazi school (with great language, math, science, etc.) eventhough we could “counter false teachnings” when we have our “quality time” with them after school. But sadly, most christians simply do not see the great harm in Secular Humanist teachings.

    P.S. Homeschooled children take the same college entrance exams that the public schooled children take. That is how colleges determine whom they should admit.

  27. Chris C. said

    Thanks for the info Philip. Im not a big fan of those broad-spectrum tests but, well, at least theres a baselin for everyone.

    We could argue semantics back and forth all day, but I just want to say I consider myself a secular humanist, although I am not religious. If you want to call it a ‘worldview’ then fine, but I don’t consider it a religion.

  28. jAsOn said


    Though my wife and I have begun schooling our oldest child (6) and plan on doing so for our youngest (4), we haven’t ruled out public schooling for either one. You leveled several charges at home schooling, that they largely produce abnormal people and that it isn’t well structured. I am curious what standards of normality and structure you would use to make such a judgment, b/c the same criticisms could be made of people who “benefited” from public/social schools all their lives.

  29. Philip said

    Your “worldview” and your “religion” both refer to what you believe. But perhaps it would be clearer to ask…
    “Should Christian parents pull their children out of government schools (where they are taught a Secular Humanistic worldview rather than a Christian worldview)?”

  30. Chris C. said

    The major thing to me is that it hinders social interation and development. From 5-15 kids develop some of their most fundamental underlying concepts about ‘who they are’, etc. Also, they learn how other people make them feel, how to respond to certain situation, and how to be a part of the standrd social structure. Not that this doesn’t happen in those who are homeschooled, but it just stands to reason that those children who spend most of their time in their own home without the influence of teachers and peers will, on average, have stuntd social development.

  31. Philip said

    Chris says: “The major thing to me is that it hinders social interation and development.”

    1. This thread simply spoke of *christian* parents taking their children out of government schools that teach a Secular Humanist worldview. It does not say anything about homeschooling. The parents could simply place their children in a school that teaches a Christian worldview.

    2. What proof leads you to say homeschooling “hinders social interation and development?” My experience is that homeschoolers are at least as socially developed as public schooled children, usually more so. I personally was public schooled, while my children are homeschooled. My children are much more socially developed than I. My fellow public school students and I would socialize with other kids our age, plus or minus 6 months 🙂 Whereas, my children seem to be much more gifted at socializing with people of all ages and social groups.

  32. jAsOn said


    Perhaps I am assuming wrong things about the underlying reasons to your line of thinking, thus the comments you have made, but, you have to understand that, just because a child grows up to believe as his parents does not mean that his social development has been stunted; in other words, rejecting the beliefs of your parents is not essential to social development.

    You said,”Also, they learn how other people make them feel, how to respond to certain situation, and how to be a part of the standrd social structure.” all of these lessons can be learned in a home with a family, and also in a Church at Sunday school, etc.

  33. jAsOn said


    Mark 12 says this, “30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.””

    If parents are discipling their children to obey the commands of God (by grace of course) then Christian children, ones whom God has actually saved and not just ones who are only obeying God’s law to please their parents (regardless of their frequency or lack thereof of experience in applying these principles) should be the most “socially developed” children around. I don’t mean to intimate that they will be perfect…they to will have and cause conflict.

    But if your definition of “socially developed” means those persons who refuse to confront others in their unethical and immoral behavior, or who never say that anyone else is wrong, or that they necessarily have to go beyond tolerance of beliefs contrary to their own and must celebrate all other beliefs, then I have this to say that the philosophies of the “world” are necessarily going to run contrary to the commands of God.

  34. Matt said

    Sure, public and private schools help you learn to socialize with people your same age… But when was the last time you were in a room full of people your same age?

  35. Anonymous said

    I think all American families should be allowed to home school their own children if they wish too. This nation is going to the devil for sure because of the A.C.L.U. and all of their crap! Taking Jesus and GOD out of everything is going to get us all into trouble! I want to help fight for this cause, in any way I can! I don’t care what anyone says, GOD made all of us, this world that we live in, and he let us borrow the stuff that we have only for awhile! Signed- Donna Long

  36. Donna Long said

    I think all American families should be allowed to home school their own children if they wish too. This nation is going to the devil for sure because of the A.C.L.U. and all of their crap! Taking Jesus and GOD out of everything is going to get us all into trouble! I want to help fight for this cause, in any way I can! I don’t care what anyone says, GOD made all of us, this world that we live in, and he let us borrow the stuff that we have only for awhile! Signed- Donna Long

  37. Fred said

    Donna, you seem to have a misunderstanding of the ACLU’s purpose. That organization protects our rights to practice our religion in the USA.

    From the ACLU website:

    “The ACLU vigorously defends the right of Americans to practice religion. But because the ACLU is often better known for its work preventing the government from promoting and funding selected religious activities, it is often wrongly assumed that the ACLU does not zealously defend the rights of religious believers, including Christians, to practice their religion. The cases below – including several where the ACLU even defended the rights of religious believers to condemn homosexuality or abortion – reveal just how mistaken such assumptions are.”

    click here for more…


  38. Anonymous said

    No they don’t!! They may have done a few token cases to justify this statement, but they are clearly against prayer in public, students expressing their religious beliefs and Christians in general. They are a bunch of lying dogs!!

  39. Chris C. said

    Wow, I guess the facts of cases faught matters nothing…

  40. Anonymous said

    Yep. Like I said… Tokens to make themselves LOOK like they are fighting for liberties, while they are only fighting for liberties that THEY (flaming liberals) want and agree with. They are crooks!

  41. Fred said

    You are joking, right?

  42. Chris C. said

    I…don’t think so Fred.

  43. F. L. A. said

    I counted 60 cases involving the fight for Christin rights on the website provided by Fred, Donna/Anonymous. Is that what you call a “few token cases”? Now I’m sure that some of those cases didn’t count for you as they involved people that you would consider to really be non-Christian impostors[Mormons,the Amish,etc.], however I wouldn’t think that they’ve gone so far as to come off as anti-Christian, just because they don’t put Judeo-Christianity on the pedestal in this country that you think they should.Why, I’ll even go so far as to say that there’s some conservative Republicans working for the ACLU, side by side with all those flaming liberals[grin].I bet the ACLU would help you Donna/Anonymous if a time came that you had a [reasonable] case and had no one else to turn to for help.

  44. Sandra M said

    Chris C ad Steve Noble — i really am intrigued by your comments. Chris C., i can appreciate the truth in some of your March 25th comments; and Steve Noble, i especially agree on points #13 and #17 above. These are challenging times and the unGodly influences are everywhere not just public schools; even our private christian schools are not exempt from unGodly influences; my experience this year is the fact that “many of our local, christian-private schools” do not have enough qualified teachers (mainly due to low pay) to teach our children advanced math, science and english. These days, our kids need to know more than just the basics. And because of “budget” cuts our children don’t get the chance to experience the added curriculum offered by public schools, such as well-established athletic departments, music and college-preparatory counseling. What’s a mother to do, except pray and take God’s advice?

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