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Is the ACLU good for America?

Posted by truthtalklive on December 7, 2007

Todays guest host:  Author Don Brown www.donbrownbooks.com  spent five years in the U.S. Navy as an officer in the Judge Advocate General’s (JAG) Corp. He’s the author of Treason, Hostage and Defiance all published by Zondervan.

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12 Responses to “Is the ACLU good for America?”

  1. Fred said

    Instead of repeating the same tired old misrepresentations and falsehoods about the ACLU, why not have an opposing point of view on the show to answer your questions? An ACLU spokesman would be ideal. Then maybe your audience would understand the issue better.

    Or could it be that you are only interested in airing your own propaganda?

    Truth Talk Live? It’s too much talk and not enough truth if you ask me.

  2. Anonymous said

    Here are some issues the ACLU supports:
    Legalization of homosexual marriage
    Legalization of child pornography
    Legalization of prostitution
    Legalization of live sex acts in public
    Legalization of sex between adults and children
    The ACLU defends the North American Man Boy Love Association whose motto is “sex before 8 or it is too late.”
    Removing “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance
    Removing our motto “In God We Trust” from our money
    Forcing the Boy Scouts to accept homosexual scout leaders
    Removing prayer from school and public events
    Abortion on demand, without parental consent
    Legalizing illicit drugs
    Physician assisted suicide
    Partial-birth abortion
    Mandatory sex education
    Legalized polygamy
    Tax supported profane art

    Here is what the ACLU is against:
    Parental notification for minors having abortion
    School vouchers
    Filters on public library computers
    Student led prayer in schools
    Nativity scenes on public property
    Sex offender registries
    Broadcast decency laws
    “Choose Life” license plates
    Tax exemptions for churches
    Posting of the Ten Commandments of public property
    Prayers before high school football games
    Parental consent laws
    “Abstinence before marriage” sex education

    Want examples? Google it.

  3. Don Brown said

    Fred, I dont believe any misrepresentations were aired. In fact, as I pointed out, in my view there are some things good that the ACLU does. My biggest difference with them deals with, among other things, their position on church-state matters and same-sex marriage issues. Personally, I think they’re right on some things like certain aspects of the Patriot Act, for example, of which I’m not a great fan of. Additionally, we pointed out yesterday that they are sometimes, although not always right, on church state issues, such as the case of the Connecticut prisoner who wanted to preach in prison, and who they weighed in legally to actually support his position.

    As one caller pointed out, however, the great body of their work in on the side of what I call misconstruction of the establishment clause, whereas the Establishment Clause has been turned into something that it was never intended to be, namely a witchhunt against Christianity.

    Becauuse teh show’s audience is largely a conservative Christian base, consequently, a number of callers are of that bent.

    But, we certainly invite all callers to call in with differing point of views, and if I am every given the privilege of hosting again in Stu’s absence, I would very much welcome your call, and would be pleased to give you enough time to articulate any points that you would like to articulate.

    Take care,

    Don

  4. Jeff said

    Fred,

    I’m curious. Did you listen to the show before posting your comment?

  5. Fred said

    Don, on the program you mentioned an incident involving a college football team and it’s coach, a Mr. Bowden. You suggested that the ACLU was out to in some way curtail the coach’s (and the team’s?) first amendment rights.

    This is a misrepresentation of the facts, as you are wont to sometimes do to make your points.

    If you had presented the ACLU side perhaps we would have clearer idea of what occurred. It appears that local a ACLU attorney had been contacted by members of the football team, and that the ACLU’s concern is that some students were being coerced into attending religious services.

    It all is very reasonable and after contacting the school (no lawsuits), and after some changes were made by the school, the ACLU attorney stated in an IndependentMail.com (Anderson, SC) article that he is:

    “…pleased with changes Clemson University has made in response to an ACLU-filed complaint regarding head football coach Tommy Bowden’s “Church Day,” but plans more talks with university officials to ensure that the activity is purely voluntary.”

    Not quite the same as what Don Brown wants us to believe, is it?

    The complete article here:
    http://www.independentmail.com/news/2007/nov/29/bowden-draws-aclus-ire/

  6. Don Brown said

    Fred,

    I said on the air that the New Mexico State Head football coach had actually been sued by the ACLU for allegedly violating “First Amendment” rights of players who were Muslim, whereby the head coach and his staff were propagating Christianity. That case was settled in the summer of 2007, and so the the threat of a lawsuit was hanging over Clemson’s head, and the University capitualted to the ACLU by disallowing use of the team bus to take the team to church. So that’s why the ACLU was “pleased.”

    Again, the problem here is the ACLU’s crying of “Separation of Church and State” on matters such as this when this really isn’t a constitutional issue and does not involve the Establishment Clause.

    The Clemson case is just one of many, many cases in which the ACLU has weighed in against public officials who are Christian, or against pro-Christian causes or symbols, i.e. the Morena County Texas, School Board … Coach Bowden .. The Mount Soledad Cross … while turning a deaf ear and a blind eye … and in fact supporting non Christian Religions in the public arena… like filing a lawsuit supporting UNC’s including the KORAN in MANDATORY summer reading to incoming freshman.

    Can you imagine, Fred, the ACLU’s reaction if UNC had included the NEW TESTAMENT as mandatory summer reading for incoming freshmen? Really think the ACLU would weigh in supporting the University in that case?

    I don’t think so. The double standard is unfortunate, really.

    Thanks for writing. Hope to chat again soon.

    Take care,

    Don

  7. d said

    Great job Don! Thanks for guest hosting! btw, I’m half-way through your 2nd book ‘Hostage’
    great stuff!

    Fred,
    we’d love to have the ACLU on ANYTIME! We’ve had them on before in the past, but recently they have not returned our calls, maybe you or another listener has an inside angle and can help,
    let me know and we’ll schedule them for the show.

    thanks,stu

  8. Fred said

    Thanks, Don. It was the New Mexico State team that you mentioned on the air. My mistake.

    In both cases the ACLU stood up for minorities who were being discriminated against on the basis of their religion. I guess you would rather those Muslim students just be quiet and submit?

    The notion that in the 21st century we should be in favor of state sponsored religion is absurd.

    Have a nice day.

    Fred

  9. Fred said

    Stu, I have nothing to do with the ACLU (other than being on the same side of the political fence), so I can’t help you there.

    Happy Holidays,

    Fred

  10. Brad said

    Good, then we can put the comments in #1 to bed then, Fred.

    I know I, and possibly other, would love to know where you’re coming from. Are you Christian? Religious affiliation? Etc…?

  11. Fred said

    Brad, certainly you remember me? I used to post anonymously but have now assumed a nom de plume.

    Merry Christmas!

    And I mean that!

    Fred

  12. Mike Sears said

    Fred
    Thought this might be of interest. It’s about that “horrible” practice of praying in the name of Christ, or any other name. I believe that freedom will prevail in NC in the same way. Time will tell. Merry Christmas! Mike

    http://atheistrevolution.blogspot.com/2007/11/sectarian-prayer-in-indiana-senate.html

    http://www.bjconline.org/cgi-bin/2007/11/indiana_senate_cant_resist_sec.html

    http://www.christianpost.com/article/20071103/29942_Court_Overturns_Ban_on_Prayer_in_Jesus‘_Name,_Skirts_Constitution_Question.htm

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