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Should Christians Support the War in Iraq?

Posted by truthtalklive on August 28, 2007

Today’s guest – Tim Lee www.timlee.org evangelist and decorated Vietnam War veteran. Lee lost both legs in a land mine explosion and this former U.S Marine has carried the gospel message across the country.

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9 Responses to “Should Christians Support the War in Iraq?”

  1. Molly said

    I heard Tim Lee say that he was looking for some land in East Texas for something… My mom is trying to see about 153 acres joined with about 100 acres her brother is trying to sell in the East Texas community of Reklaw (small community southeast of Tyler). It’s a very beautiful area close to a river. I was unable to find where to contact Tim from his website. Can this information be passed on to him?
    Thanks!
    Molly

  2. Troy said

    I respect brother Lee’s service in Vietnam and his ministry. I believe he, like so many brothers and sisters are sincere in their views about the “war on terror”. The Lord knows I held the same views having been caught up in the shock and awe of 9-11-01 and the culture of fear that is pounded into us daily by the media and our leaders.

    I am as patriotic as anyone I know and am a combat veteran. However, we now know we went to Iraq for the wrong reasons. So going for the wrong reason means we should stay till…? Until Iran attacks an aircraft carrier that gets too close to their coast…? Until something happens again here? Until 1000 more troops die? What would George Washington, Thomas Jefferson or Thomas Pain say to this?

    We Christians must support the rule of law, which is the Constitution. Democracy building is not authorized by our Constitution, for any reason. War is only authorized by a vote in Congress for an actual declaration of war, which has not been done since WWII. There are very good reasons for this requirement. The founders of our nation warned against entangling alliances and foreign involvement of this kind and they knew the internal dangers to liberty of war on the country that wages it. If we truly wanted to hunt and fight “terrorists” the Constitution provides for “Letters of marque and reprisal”, a more effective tool against non state attackers like the “terrorists” that attacked us, we might even have killed bin laden by now. It did not require a large scale war.

    Where do we stop? How many countries can America overthrow and “rebuild” using the same logic as Iraq? That conflict has burned, as we all know, for thousands of years and we can not force a people to want freedom without the raw desire to win it themselves like America did. And for some reason we are no longer worried about bin Laden, according to the President. This makes no sense.

    And let me speak to the idea that we must fight them there or we will fight them here. Since when is it Christian to base our opinion on this culture of fear? What a non biblical idea. This is the saddest part of this issue. For Christians to say that endless preemptive war on countries is justified to battle a faceless tactic (terrorism is a tactic) is to say that we can occupy the entire world. This is the excuse for Empire.

    Let me simplify this for everyone. When I talk to people who say they are Christian “conservatives” and are for the war in Iraq (you know, stay-the-coursers), most can not tell me the original reason we went, how much it costs for it to continue (both money and life), let alone how it is being funded, and most revealing is that none can tell me what the “victory” actually would be that neo-conservative leaders and liberals alike keep talking about. And military “surges” that cost billions of dollars mean nothing if there is no political change with it, and there is none.

    As long as Christians keep associating with the pro war neo-conservative war mongering in the name of security and safety, they will have a hard time being seen as set apart, just war proponents and will begin to take on the persona of crusaders. Look who you are listening to, it is the same people who said this war would be a “slam dunk”, so you would continue to follow such mis-informed individuals and call it Christian duty? I say the founders were right. Peace with all who will have it, but no entangling alliances or involvements. Liberty was enough for those great men who knew of terrorists and tyrants alike, and fought them all off.

    I pray for the church of America today that promotes an undeclared war on a faceless, stateless enemy abroad and sits quietly in comfortable pews as liberties are stripped in the name of safety at home. This used to be land of the free and home of the brave. Have you been to the airport or visited the capitol lately?

    God restore our Republic.

  3. Brian said

    I listened to the conversation with Mr. Lee yesterday. I have my own reasons for agreeing with the actions taken in Iraq, but that is the lessor of evils being portrayed in the US. America is being held hostage by the media. The disrespect openly shown to the President and the Office of the Presidency is out of control. My whole family for generations were democrates. I’m not. The level of disrespect shown by the congress and senate to the President is enough to make the founding fathers sick. That’s not a democrat or republician thing, that’s both sides and the media is the gas added to the fire. The American people should be standing up screaming over the disrespect, but they encourage it and participate in it.
    I think a good start to winning the war, and cleaning up Washington would be to remove the media from both. Politicians are afraid to vote with their heart, knowing it’s going to be on CNN and Fox before they get home tonight. Bar the camera’s from the war and the Senate floor, and you may have a chance of seeing progress made in both.
    Soldiers shouldn’t have to stop and think before they react. They are trained to react. They are trained to make split second decisions in the most adverse environments. If someone is protecting your back, do you really want them to stop and sort through all the options before they shots the guy who’s aiming a gun at your head. This gets people killed in war. Mistakes are made and will continue to be made, That’s all part of war. Not everyone fighting this war has the moral standards we like to think all Americans have. Watch the news some night. There are plenty of hoodlums right here in the good old USA. It is equally sickening to see what some of these soldiers are faced with once they are turned over to the media and politically correct court system. There is no such thing as a perfect war. But once you are in a war you fight to win. We’re not training cub scotts, we’re training grown men to become killing machines. Get the TV crews out, turn the military lose to do what they have been trained to do, and you will see victory, and it will be sooner than later.

  4. Anonymous said

    Brian, define victory in Iraq and Afghanistan.

  5. Troy said

    Brian, the media is biased against the military when it behooves them but they are biased for it when it fits their agenda as well.

    What you are proposing (getting the media out of Washington and the war) is to leave those in power (especially concerning Washington) to do as they please in secret from the people(not the soldiers on the ground mind you.)

    The problems you speak of concerning soldiers in combat has always been an issue but one created by the bureaucratic elites in control of government and the situation which soldiers find themselves being used in.

    The spin from the media trickles from there often but I can tell you from experience, troops’ hands being tied and confusion in conflict is common from a soldiers perspective. The larger point is, then that it is inherent to complicated wars. One more reason an actual DECLARATION of war is REQUIRED by Congress according to our constitution because no member could hide or shift the responsibility of having committed American soldiers to war with a “resolution”, especially just to enforce a UN requirement (the legal excuse we are currently using for the occupation).

    Lastly, look into PNAC’s (Project for a New American Century) document from 2000 called “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” and you will see that the current conflict to include the fracturing and military control of the middle east was planned in detail before that. You can download this document for yourself. The authors are many of those who have been in power for the past several years. Use Google and download it from PNAC’s own site.

  6. Tim Lee said

    I certainly enjoyed being on Truth Talk with Stu Epperson Jr. Stu is a live wire and and a great guy to be around and to do an interview with. I do many of these interviews a year and his style is most refreshing and provoking.

    I go on record as supporting our troops and our President in his war on terror. There are some things worth living for,some things worth fighting for and if needs be some things worth dying for!

  7. Troy said

    Tim, at what point do you disagree with a President? Is not total disregard for our Constitution enough? Does it require a sex scandal? Does it require him to be a member of the “opposite” party?

    Please tell me how you can support an endless war on a tactic, especially considering we have not declared war as required by the constitution.

    There is a serious conflict of interest that gets overlooked in all this that includes the business connections with this administration and the bin Laden family as well as the defense industry. This one point alone is enough for any thinking American to be concerned with leaders (Congress included)who have no regard for our Constitution and to demand an end to our involvement there.

  8. Tim Lee said

    Oh my,I disagree with this pesident on several things,especially the run-a-way spending of this this administration. I believe the primary function of the federal government is to protects the citizens of this country from all enemy both domestic and foreign.

    ” I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

    “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

    We are daily fighting and killing the enemy. There is not a magacial date that this war will end on. It will be going on when I am dead and gone. However,in my estimation it is a war worth fighting. Other wise you will see other attacks on America that will make 9-11 look like a Sunday School picnic.

  9. Troy said

    Tim,
    This President (whom I voted for twice by the way) has shown nothing but disregard for our Constitution for the last six years, to include calling it “just a g.. d…ed piece of paper” (according to Capitol Hill Blues – December 5, 2005) …whether he actually said this or not is a mute point since this is by far the way the administration has acted.

    I swore the same oath upon my enlistment as you cited above and consider it a life long promise. Please consider what has been pushed and implemented by this administration while Congress sat by (members had not even read the contents of the US Patriot Act before voting on it.)

    I have written much about the culture of fear that has been implemented and Christian leaders continue to go along with, promoting it in our churches. This is the “hundred year war” you (along with the Vice President) speak of but I believe for a Christian it is inconsistent with the very foundations of our faith to continue to buy into it. Yes we were attacked and yes we must bring those who did 9-11 to justice (we have yet to apprehend bin Laden, something else I have written much about.) but for us to wage endless (undeclared) war in countries like Iraq without securing our border and after closing the FBI office that was focused on the man, bin Laden, who perpetrated the crime, tells me we are in much worse danger than attack by terrorists. If liberties and freedoms guaranteed us by the Constitution were not restricted (armed pilots on 9-11 comes to mind) 9-11 might have not happened in the first place. The founders feared attacks from within worse than from without. (And don’t think that had not envisioned something like terrorism… do a search on “Letter of Marque and Reprisal” afforded in our Constitution.)

    Now back to two points I made in my previous reply. 1. – How do we fight a war on a tactic? (terrorism is a tactic, just like the failed “war on crime” and “war on poverty”) and more importantly, 2.how can we continue to support undeclared war as required, not suggested, by the Constitution that you, me and the President swore to defend… first (that part of the oath is positioned early in the oaths for a reason.)?

    Lastly let me show you where we are heading:
    Christians, consider that if Hillary (Lord forbid) wins in 08, she will have the following draconian powers at her disposal. (Keep in mind that recent reports indicate that a very low percentage of homeland security cases have been prosecuted using them while a very large percentage of citizens have been harassed and charged using them, already:

    The USA Patriot Act
    Total Information Awareness – (complete tracking of all citizen transactions)
    USA Patriot Act II
    Military Commissions Act
    John Warner Defense Authorization Act
    Illegal Domestic Wiretapping Program
    Expansion of Illegal Domestic Wiretapping Program
    Martial Law Presidential Decision Directive 51
    Destruction of the Dollar
    Amnesty & The North American Union

    Please prayerfully study and learn what these mean to you and me.

    “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

    …it’s also contrary to God’s Word.

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