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Exposing Harry Potter

Posted by truthtalklive on July 19, 2007

Millions have read the Harry Books and seen the Harry Potter movies and with the latest installments the debate goes on.

Should Christian parents let their children read the books or see the movies? Or are we making a big deal out of a harmless fantasy?

Todays guest: Steve Wohlberg, author of “Exposing Harry Potter and Witchcraft” www.avoidharrypotter.com/

Steve is a radio host, TV producer and author of 12 books. His website is: www.whitehorsemedia.com

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28 Responses to “Exposing Harry Potter”

  1. jeremy9er7 said

    Faulty logic, Steve. To say on the one hand that you should not expose yourself to witchcraft by way of Harry Potter, then purport that its okay to expose yourself to witchcraft in movies like Chronicles of Narnia, because it shows witchcraft only to be done by “the bad guy” or has no basis in reality. Is “witchcraft” not “witchcraft” wether it is performed by the good or bad? Are you not exposing yourself to the same element in either case? Have you come out against, The Wizard of Oz because of the “good witch” or Lord of the Rings? This line of thinking makes me cringe with the memory of my parents friends condemning them for exposing us kids to the Smurfs, because Papa Smurf practiced magic.

  2. Anonymous said

    He has to sell his book, I guess.

  3. Noah said

    I am a Christian and am raising my son in the faith also. I study the Bible (as opposed to just reading it) and read other publications by Christian authors as well. Arguements that exposure to Harry Potter books is dangerous are asinine and ridiculous. It is a work of fiction and my son and I find them highly entertaining. It doesn’t take any effort to distinguish between the fantasy of the books and reality.What I consider more dangerous is the garbage that many so called religious authorities publish and the willingness of many to buy into their rediculous assertions. It is my suspicion that Wohlberg authored this book to profit by creating a controversy and capitalizing on the popularity of the series. There are too many legitimate issues about which Christians should concern themselves.

  4. Brad said

    I agree – I am a Christian, and my son reads these, and we recently saw the new movie, and I don’t see anything out of the ordinary with this. What’s the difference between this and Lord of the Rings? Not much. Why isn’t he exposing that, then?

    He said that the Potter books can expose kids to the occult, and draw them in. Maybe, if left alone to their own devices and with no parental supervision. But that’s the key – no parental supervision. Kids can get into a lot of trouble without that, from a variety of things, not just Harry Potter. I know what the books/movies are about, and I talk about them with my son, and make sure he understands the difference between reality and fantasy. But Harry Potter exposing him to the occult? I just don’t buy it.

  5. Anonymous said

    Brad and I agree on something. I guess that shows us that miracles do occur occasionally.

  6. Jeremy24r said

    I agree with Jeremy, the reasoning behind the “evil” is outrageouse. There is very little “witchcraft” and “sorcery” in the Harry Potter books that is even remotly close to the real thing. As long as the parrents are doing there job, I do not see these books as dangerouse, at least no more so than many other things in life.

  7. Bill in NC said

    I read Greek myths when I was a kid, but I didn’t grow up to be a Zeus-worshipper. It was just a story. Kids thinking they can do magic after reading Harry Potter is like kids thinking they fly after watching Superman. Is Mr. Wohlberg going take on Homer and the Justice League of America?

  8. Angie W said

    Our agreement or disagreement between each other is not really the point — what matters is what God says about witchcraft & sorcery and how He cautions us against having anything to do with it — and the dire consequences if we do. We can all say very philosophically that this is just a fictional book and/or movie — just fantasy — but beyond that is the impact these books and movies are having to de-sensitize us to God’s Truth in His Word and the fact that the popularity of these works of fiction are beckoning a lost world to witchcraft and false religion — and especially away from the One True God.

    Saying “this isn’t so bad…” starts us down a deceptive path of acceptance and leads to destructive erosion of our core values and strength as Christians — Jesus. Satan would like nothing better than for us to believe this is innocuous, harmless entertainment. But there has been an increase in the Wiccan religion since these books have been out. For us Christians, Jesus is supposed to be our focus, our God. Our Hope is in Him and we should obey Him.

    I say this because I was one of those people who watched a medium on TV and saw nothing wrong with it at the time. I gained comfort by what was said after my father died…until I realized that God’s Word does not condone this practice; it denounces it and warns against it. I repented and asked for God’s forgiveness… because what I read in Scripture was that this was wrong and a sin and I want to follow and obey my Lord and Savior.

    I think the Harry Potter issue is similar. I think the Bible is clear about witchcraft and sorcery. I urge those of you interested in this topic to ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you God’s truth about the matter. Read the relevant scriptures quoted on Mr. Wohlberg’s website. Perhaps your interest in Harry Potter will be an opportunity to share your faith in Jesus with an unsaved person who also is interested.

    God, please bless us and reveal Your truth to us.

  9. Noah said

    I would dare ssy there is a great deal of difference between your experience with a medium and and the Harry Potter issue. I am sure the medium represented themselves as the “real thing”. Look at all the various works of fiction with magical elements that we have enjoyed for years without harm. Consider all of the classic fairy tales, Cinderella, Snow White, Jack and the Beanstalk, and countless others. What about more modern examples such as Bewitched, I Dream of Jeannie, Star Wars, numerous comic book superheroes such as Superman, Spiderman, etc. Where are Wohlberg’s publications objecting to all these dangers? I still suspect a financial motive for his book. I say our Lord has blessed us with intelligence and imagination and the Christian faith does not require us to be afraid to exercise these gifts. Fantasy has always been a part of cultures for entertainment and education and Wohlberg has probably done more harm than good by giving the impression that the magic and witchcraft in the Potter books are legitimate.

  10. Ted said

    Found this on your headlines page. It applies here.

    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=87554

  11. Hello all,

    This is Steve Wohlberg. I have read your comments and especially appreciate those of Angie. Honestly, it boggles my mind that many Christians see no danger in Harry Potter. Three days ago a Christian TV production team contacted me about participating in their upcoming documentary about the dangers of both Potter and Wicca. He said that as soon as this documentary is finished it will immediately air on 12 major Christian networks (which want it right now), including TBN, DayStar, and FamilyNet. This TV crew is composed of well respected Christian leaders (including former occultists) who are ALL DEEPLY CONCERNED about the influence of Harry Potter over an entire generation of young people. Our website, http://www.avoidharrypotter.com, has links from witches themselves saying that Harry Potter is contributing to their cause – big time. The Bible says that anyone who is a “witch,” or a “wizard,” or who is involved in the occult is an “abomination to the Lord.” See Duet. 18:9-13. I didn’t write this. Moses did, inspired by God. Moses wrote that the “nations” surrounding His people were practicing these things (which is true today), but then God forbids His people to do so. Was God concerned about nothing? No. He saw a real danger. Deut. 18:9 says the Israelites must not “learn to do” these abominations. Before “DO” comes “LEARN.” Harry Potter is the “learn” stage. For many, next comes “do.” Not all, obviously, but many are learning and doing. To my Christian critics I would say, open your eyes and see the trend towards Wicca in our world. If you don’t see it, you’re blind. Do you really believe in the Bible and in its warnings about both witchcraft and the subtlety of Satan? Read these texts: 1 Sam. 15:23, Gal. 5:19,20, Revelation 21:8, 22:15, etc. Here God Himself is concerned about witchcraft. Is He concerned over nothing? No. He knows the danger of the Craft. If you are truly on His side, then you will share His concern.

    Many say, “Its up to the parents.” Indeed. But the problem is, most parents have dropped the ball and are not teaching their kids what God’s Word teaches. How many families on this planet read God’s book anyway? Too few. Others say, “It’s just a story.” Yet stories are powerful, which is why Jesus told so many stories. Others says, “Kids can tell the difference between fantasy and reality.” Really? Then why did Mrs. Rowling herself testify that she gets so many letters from kids who want to go to Hogwarts? Rowling was shocked by this – that so many kids think it is real. Yes, there are things in Harry Potter that obviously aren’t real, but there is much reality amidst the fantasy. In his “History of Magic” class, Harry learned about the “Burning Times” when witches were burned by ignorant muggles. Indeed, there were REAL burning times – which I don’t defend – and my point is that kids are getting a dose of reality here amidst the fantasy. Yes, there is plenty of reality with Potter. Occultists know it. Check out the book reviews of Oberon Zell Ravenhaert’s “Grimoire for the Apprentice Wizard” on Amazon.com (I don’t recommend reading it – this is just to open your eyes). Oberon is among the “Who’s Who” in real occultism. His book represents itself as being the real Hogwarts that was written specifically for all “the Harry Potter wannabees” who have read Harry Potter and are HAVE BECOME INTERESTED IN REAL WITCHCRAFT. I learned about this book from a former high priest of an Australian coven who has since become a Christian. He knows the truth. He knows that occultists are capitolizing on Harry Potter. Enough said…

    Again, read the Bible. Galatians 5:20 says that all who practice “witchcraft” (and other fleshy things) will “not inherit the kingdom of God,” and the book of Revelation says that “all” those who practice “sorcery” will end up in “the lake of fire.” Revelation 21:8. Again let me ask you pointedly – IS GOD CONCERNED ABOUT NOTHING? Search your hearts as you answer this, and then ask yourself whether the Lucifier himself has nothing to do with the biggest story of all time (Harry Potter) that makes witchcraft look fun for kids.

    For those with spiritual discernment, it’s a no-brainer.

    As Luther said, “Here I stand.”

    In Jesus Christ my Lord,

    Steve Wohlberg

  12. Brad said

    “The Bible says that anyone who is a “witch,” or a “wizard,” or who is involved in the occult is an “abomination to the Lord.” See Duet. 18:9-13. I didn’t write this. Moses did, inspired by God.” (Steve)

    Yes, Steve, but you seem to be having trouble separating those who actually practice this (which is what the Bible is speaking of), and those who know this is nothing but entertainment, and have taught their kids the difference between right and wrong, witches and God. Just b/c you watch it (or allow your kids to watch it) doesn’t mean that you’re evil or promoting the occult, by any stretch.

    “Deut. 18:9 says the Israelites must not “learn to do” these abominations. Before “DO” comes “LEARN.” Harry Potter is the “learn” stage. For many, next comes “do.” Not all, obviously, but many are learning and doing.” (Steve)

    It’s the “not all” that you seem to be forgetting, Steve. I’m not saying that Harry Potter might not be funneling people towards something they shouldn’t be getting into, either directly or indirectly. But it doesn’t funnel EVERYONE there. For many people, HP is not the “learn” stage, it is simply a neat movie with action and kids. I think you’re forgetting that. Music can lead kids astray – are you railing against that? TV shows can lead kids astray – are you railing against those? Bad friends can lead kids astray – are you railing against that? And again, all this assumes that parental supervision is nil or weak, at best. For many kids, that is not the case, and they have solid family values at home and are being supervised and taught this is make believe. You’re using a lot of absolutes in a non-absolute situation.

    “To my Christian critics I would say, open your eyes and see the trend towards Wicca in our world. If you don’t see it, you’re blind. Do you really believe in the Bible and in its warnings about both witchcraft and the subtlety of Satan? Read these texts: 1 Sam. 15:23, Gal. 5:19,20, Revelation 21:8, 22:15, etc. Here God Himself is concerned about witchcraft. Is He concerned over nothing? No. He knows the danger of the Craft. If you are truly on His side, then you will share His concern.” (Steve)

    I AM truly on His side, and I DO share His concern about witchraft. I don’t practice it, nor would I want anyone to practice it, or even to mess around with it. But my kids aren’t watching this to learn how to practice witchcraft, they like it b/c it has kids and it’s entertaining. I’ve seen the movies, Steve, and they don’t sway me at all, and when I’m with my kids, talking to them and explaining things to them, it’s not swaying them, either. I stay constantly on the lookout for changes in their behavior, over-exposure to this, and if I see anything, I cut it off and we talk about it. You are almost assuming the worst about everyone, and being overly cautious.

    “Many say, “Its up to the parents.” Indeed. But the problem is, most parents have dropped the ball and are not teaching their kids what God’s Word teaches. How many families on this planet read God’s book anyway? Too few. Others say, “It’s just a story.” Yet stories are powerful, which is why Jesus told so many stories. Others says, “Kids can tell the difference between fantasy and reality.” Really? Then why did Mrs. Rowling herself testify that she gets so many letters from kids who want to go to Hogwarts? Rowling was shocked by this – that so many kids think it is real.” (Steve)

    But again, Steve, not ALL families are like this. I agree that many people don’t teach the Word to their kids. I do. I feel sorry for the kids who don’t have it taught to them. But I can’t always help that, b/c I am only parents to MY kids, not to everyone else’s. My kids wouldn’t write a letter asking to go to Hogwarts, BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT’S NOT REAL, THROUGH BOTH COMMON SENSE AND THE FACT THAT WE’VE DISCUSSED THE MOVIES!!!

    “Again, read the Bible. Galatians 5:20 says that all who practice “witchcraft” (and other fleshy things) will “not inherit the kingdom of God,” and the book of Revelation says that “all” those who practice “sorcery” will end up in “the lake of fire.” Revelation 21:8.” (Steve)

    And I agree wholeheartedly. Thing is – watching these isn’t “practicing” witchcraft or sorcery. Don’t forget that.

    “For those with spiritual discernment, it’s a no-brainer.” (Steve)

    For those who share your point of view, it’s a no-brainer. For those who don’t (such as myself), we consider it a no-brainer the other way. Your scriptures don’t back up the fact that we can’t watch the movie, they only back up that we shouldn’t practice it, which I agree.

    I’ll renew a question to you that you never answered well on the show. What about Lord of the Rings, or Lion/Witch/Wardrobe? I haven’t seen you getting upset at those, yet they both have components of wizardry/witchcraft/sorcery in them. What is the big difference between them and Harry Potter, that causes you to ONLY be negative towards Harry Potter?

  13. Noah said

    “For those with spiritual discernment, it’s a no-brainer.” (Steve)

    I think that’s the problem, too many Christians don’t use their brains. Potter is a work of fiction, don’t make it anything it is not. Your insinuation that anyone who does not agree with you lacks “spiritual discernment” is not only arrogant but also egotistical.

    Honestly, it boggles my mind that many Christians see no danger in Harry Potter. (Steve)

    Honestly it boggles my mind that many Christians see no danger in blindly following the suggestions of so called “Christian leaders”. Picking out random Bible verses doesn’t convince me. Satan and man have done the same thing for evil as well.

  14. Me said

    OK people, newsflash…..Harry Potter is fiction, fantasy, and for fun!! It’s up to me as a parent to lead my children to the truth, they way and the light!! Not the ENTERTAINMENT (key word) industry!!

  15. Ivy said

    *Warning – the tone of the following comments are a little flippant – but my concern is for the safety of young (and old) souls. I don’t take it lightly, nor do I mean any disrespect. I’m attempting to prove a point.*

    It’s funny how parents allow themselves to deem what is “entertainment” and what is not. I guess to that I would say – what would Jesus have you do? Do you really think He would support you defending any type of participation in witchcraft?

    Moses warned the Israelites that they could not dine with demons and with God. You can’t do both. And though as parents, you may think you totally have your kids’ ear – reality and statistics have shown us that it only lasts for so long and up to a certain age. After that, the media has more of their attention than you could ever imagine.

    It’s good that there are parents that sow seeds of righteousness in their children through sharing the Word and teaching right from wrong. But it begs the question, would you allow your children to participate in viewing pornography? No? Well, why not? Because it is morally wrong to view that stuff? Who says? Oh, God does. But pornography is fantasy/it’s not real. You can teach them about right and wrong, but it can be fun to watch and it’s not like you’re participating in the events…even as it kills your soul… Same diff as Harry Potter and the like.

    And in case you didn’t know or were avoiding the possibility that it’s true, witchcraft and sorcery are real. It’s not just about a bunch of people out there playing occult games. They get real feedback from demons. God even warns us of its reality when He lays out King Saul’s demise. His account was to let us know that this stuff is dangerously real and not to be trifled with.

    So, true, kids may watch HP for entertainment today, but think about the seeds you may be sowing in their hearts because you allow them to. Some kids are impressionable and unfortunately, as parents, we have no control over which sown seeds will stick and grow – regardless of our intentions. This doesn’t imply bad/poor parenting. It just means we really really need to be careful what we allow our children to partake of (and partaking includes watching something for entertainment purposes).

    And for the record, I don’t let my kids HP, the Chronicles, or Lord of the Rings. Because they all contain elements of witchcraft.

  16. Brad said

    Ivy,

    That’s great for you. Many of us would not even begin to compare pornography to HP – to do so is to make an invalid comparison. I know where you are trying to go with that comparison, but it just doesn’t work, b/c the 2 are totally different.

    You are free to let your kids watch (or not watch) whatever you choose as a parent. To let them watch HP (or LOTR or CON) does not mean they will dabble in the occult when they grow older. Could they still possibly do it? Yes. Could they have never been exposed to drugs as a child, and have had parents tell them drugs is wrong all their life, yet still try drugs when they get older? Yes as well. You see, what kids will and will not do is not NECESSARILY based on what they have/have not been allowed to do. I think that’s a big influence, but not the only one. So it is just impossible to say that this is blanketly bad for kids, b/c there’s no evidence to support that. Each child, adult and family is different, and each has to do what they believe is right in the context of what they believe Scripture says. I happen to completely disagree with you, but it doesn’t mean I look down on you for not letting your kids watch it, it just means that you have chosen that way, and that’s fine. A lot like what Paul describes in 1 Corinthians with meat eaters and non-meat eaters, don’t you think??

  17. Ivy said

    No Brad, I don’t think you can relate watching HP to the meat-eaters vs. non-meat-eaters issue Paul addresses. And I do believe you can compare partaking in the occult to partaking in pornography. That is because both sexual immorality and sorcery/witchcraft are issues God explicitly told us not to get involved with. He did not say “don’t view sexual acts” any more than He didn’t say “don’t view occult acts” – he told us that the sexual immoral and sorcerers will have their part in the lake of fire. He told us that we cannot dine with demons and with Him.

    You don’t have a debate with me. You have a debate with God. I don’t look down on you for what you choose to do with your children. Those are your children. I’m not here to judge you, because I don’t know you. All I’m saying is that I don’t agree that HP is ok for Christian children to watch (any child, for that matter).

    There’s no need to try to split hairs on this issue. Immorality and sin, whether acted out or viewed, is still sinful. What does Paul say about causing another man to stumble through our own behavior…?

  18. Brad said

    You’re missing the point, Ivy. HP is not ACTUAL sorcery going on – it is a make believe story written by a popular author. The people on screen playing the characters are not ACTUAL witches, wizards or sorcerers – they are actors. With pornography, the people on screen are actually ENGAGING in sexual activity themselves – it’s not make believe. If you choose to equate the 2, that is certainly your right to do so, however I don’t think they are close.

    Would I let my child watch a REAL coven in action, or go to a seance, or dabble in sorcery himself? Nope. B/c, as you said, the Bible says not to deal in sorcery. However, do I have a problem (or do I see a Biblical problem) with watching HP, LOTR or CON/LWW? Nope. Again, you are free to do what you wish with your family. You are only trying to protect them and do what is right before God, which is good. I see this as perfectly in tune with Paul’s writings in 1 Cor. – you don’t. Again, no big deal. I don’t have a debate with God on this one, nor with you, really; I’m just giving my opinions.

  19. Me said

    Ivy,

    Are you serious when you say watching HP, CON, etc. is a sin??????? You can’t really mean that do you? I made my children watch The Chronicals of Narnia!! Was I the only person that saw that the Lion was Jesus and he came back to life after being killed??? What a wonderful story that was!!!

    Harry Potter is not necessarily about Jesus or God, but it is just for FUN!! Every child has an imagination and they should, it is part of being a kid and growing up! Maybe you should watch these movies with your children and be there to answer or explain any questions they may have. If your children want to attend Hogzwartz University, tell them they can’t and then tell they why………THERE ISN’T A HOGZWARTZ UNIVERSITY!!! I think you will find that most children will be able to differentiate between fact and fiction/fantasy.

    Please tell me that you are not comparing porn to any of the children’s movies? Just say it isn’t so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You can’t be serious about that, can you?!?!?

    Do yourself a favor and relax just a tad!!

  20. John said

    Merry meet everyone! This is John the Wiccan witch.
    To Ivy and those who follow her views I wanted to explain something. What the characters in the H.P.books are doing is not and has nothing to do with real witchcraft. It’s Sorcery. I could explain the difference to you if you so wished, but judging from you,re responses it’s probably a wast of time. It is against the rules of my faith to even try to proselytize anyone in any way,but if it was in my nature or faith to do so I certainly wouldn’t try to condone the H.P. book series as some form of a learning tool to help me achieve my task, any more than I would try to use the story of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Because it’s NOT REAL! Most of us in the Pagan community around here enjoyed the movies, but thought no more of them than we did of the movie BATMAN. Just entertainment. A fantasy.
    You’re making a mountain out of a molehill.

  21. Jen said

    Wake up Christians!!
    Do you think it’s FUN for Steve or AngieW to put their heads on the chopping block, knowing full well what the world’s response and the luke-warmed “christians” reactions are going to be?

    Those who allow and find “nothing wrong” with HP, Narnia & Lord of the Rings into their children’s minds/hearts:
    Have you actually asked our Heavenly Father if it’s okay with HIM to watch?
    Ephesians 6:18 praying ALWAYS with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints —
    Have you had confirmation from HIS WORD that it’s perfectly fine with HIM, and that HE’LL bless you with HIS wonderful Presence while you watch and fill the lusts of the flesh?

    Thanks to John the Wiccan Witch who so enlightened us that HP is simply “Sorcery”!!!
    Galations 5:18-26 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, SORCERY, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told [you] in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those [who are] Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

    Now I know you’ll be quick to say… “but we don’t practice it, we just watch it and find it highly innocent & entertaining!!!” Let me remind you:

    Romans 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what [is] that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

    Do you not think that it would grieve our Creator for us to allow our children to watch how other children are bowing to a man-made image of Jesus in the form of an ANIMAL, who is SACRIFICED, (note: not crucified) on a slab of concrete just as the pagans did with their sacrifices, and frolicked in the forests, and the children become close friends with the god of pan????

    I would far rather face the anger and indignation of mere mortal people than face the WRATH of the ALMIGHTY.
    Fortunately by HIS grace, I have not watched or read any HP because of the conviction of the Holy Spirit, but yes, like AngieW, I too watched Lord of the Rings, and couldn’t wait for Narnia, and I cringe how I led others like me to fall in love with the characters.
    Oh Father, we repent of our ignorance, and how we’ve made YOUR Way so filthy with our deeds. We repent of the unrighteousness that we’ve allowed in our homes, and our children’s hearts. I pray that you would open your people’s eyes to the deception that they’ve allowed themselves to be blind to. Forgive us for filling the lusts of the flesh and not following You…. Remind us of YOUR HOLINESS and how YOU’VE called us to BE HOLY as YOU are HOLY.

    I encourage you and plead with you to read testimonies of people that have had Near Death experiences of hell, and of CHRISTIAN’S that are heading that way. see http://www.insightsofgod.com Watch out! The Way is not easy! The path is narrow! But the rewards are eternal and worth giving up the easy ways of the world.

    Jesus, who died for you and would have died for you even if you were the only person in the world, He loves you!

  22. anonymous said

    I respectfully disagree with the statements linking Narnia with Harry Potter. To do so ignores, in my opinion, the message behind the two. I’ve seen a couple of the Harry Potter movies and don’t see any message at all, they just seem silly, and a little dangerous because small children don’t know that it is fiction. Narnia, however, is the Gospel told in different form. Aslan’s coming breaking the power of the witch’s control, just as Jesus’ coming did to Satan’s. Obviously, Lewis used the death of Aslan to remind of Jesus death, both ultimately were resurrected and won the victory in resurrection. We would do well to remember that Narnia was written by one of the most influential Christian writers of the 20th century as a way to introduce children to the Gospel of Christ. I’m sure those who lump Narnia with Potter are very well intentioned, sincere Christians and because of that don’t like to disagree too strongly, but I must on this occasion.

  23. Brad said

    “Do you think it’s FUN for Steve or AngieW to put their heads on the chopping block, knowing full well what the world’s response and the luke-warmed “christians” reactions are going to be?” (Jen)

    Jen, just b/c it may not be “fun” or just b/c the world doesn’t agree with them, doesn’t by necessity make their INTERPRETATIONS and BELIEFS correct! And you yourself are making a BIG assumption that the “Christians” who don’t agree with them are “luke-warmed”, which is a stretch at best. I believe that their intentions, at their core, are only good, and that they are trying to make sure that people don’t get misled down a path that is bad for them. And that is good. But to say that HP, LOTR, Narnia and others are the first step into evil, is just ridiculous, in my opinion.

    “Those who allow and find “nothing wrong” with HP, Narnia & Lord of the Rings into their children’s minds/hearts:
    Have you actually asked our Heavenly Father if it’s okay with HIM to watch?
    Ephesians 6:18 praying ALWAYS with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints –
    Have you had confirmation from HIS WORD that it’s perfectly fine with HIM, and that HE’LL bless you with HIS wonderful Presence while you watch and fill the lusts of the flesh?” (Jen)

    Yes, and I have found nothing wrong with it. Again, your interpretations may vary, which is your right. We’re dealing with non-essential items to the faith here, Jen, and you’re getting hung up on them.

    “Thanks to John the Wiccan Witch who so enlightened us that HP is simply “Sorcery”!!!
    Galations 5:18-26 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, SORCERY, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told [you] in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those [who are] Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.” (Jen)

    You missed what John was really saying, Jen. He was basically saying that it is ridiculous for people to think that HP resembles anything they do, b/c it doesn’t. It’s just fantasy, a story for entertainment’s sake. They know it, and many others realize it, as well.

    “Now I know you’ll be quick to say… “but we don’t practice it, we just watch it and find it highly innocent & entertaining!!!” Let me remind you: Romans 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what [is] that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” (Jen)

    Jen, have you watched any television at all in the last month? Have you seen any movies in the last year? Have you sinned in any way last week? If so, then you’re on equal footing with the rest of us. We’re all sinners, Jen. Being conformed to this world doesn’t mean that we can’t live in the world, and eat and entertain ourselves, while still focusing on Christ and being about His work. We do all that. We are very involved in our church, and have good relationships with Christ, and foster those relationships in our kids, as well. They have asked Jesus in their heart, and have done so at an early age, b/c they understood that they needed a Savior. This doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy life, and that you must live as Christian hermits. God nowhere calls us to do that. Many Christians like to say we should stick our heads in the sand and do nothing so it can’t be labeled sinful or labeled as something God wouldn’t like. But then you’re removing yourself from the very society that Christ calls us to be a witness to. What is a stumbling block for some is not a stumbling block for others. I’m not saying everyone NEEDS to watch these movies, only that nobody should be looked down upon for doing so.

    “Do you not think that it would grieve our Creator for us to allow our children to watch how other children are bowing to a man-made image of Jesus in the form of an ANIMAL, who is SACRIFICED, (note: not crucified) on a slab of concrete just as the pagans did with their sacrifices, and frolicked in the forests, and the children become close friends with the god of pan????” (Jen)

    Jen, I don’t think it grieves Him in the least! Do you even understand the story of Narnia, and what it represents? Have you even read it, or watched it? It is a classic example of the triumph of good over evil, of Christ over Satan. It’s not hard to pick up on, and is authored by one of the great authors of our time, C.S. Lewis. You’re making it into something it’s not, and wasn’t even intended to be, and you’re doing it an injustice in your zealousness to condemn.

    “I would far rather face the anger and indignation of mere mortal people than face the WRATH of the ALMIGHTY.” (Jen)

    So would I – fortunately, as a sinner saved by grace, I know I will not face His wrath.

    “Fortunately by HIS grace, I have not watched or read any HP because of the conviction of the Holy Spirit, but yes, like AngieW, I too watched Lord of the Rings, and couldn’t wait for Narnia, and I cringe how I led others like me to fall in love with the characters.” (Jen)

    And that’s OK for you, if that was the HS’ leading in your life. He doesn’t convict everyone in the same way. Take drinking, which is not forbidden as a sin in the Bible. Drunkeness is, but drinking is not. Yet many people, including myself, are convicted that they should not do that, for personal reasons or to keep others from stumbling. Others are not convicted of that. And that’s not a problem, b/c it’s not a sin to drink. I don’t look down on them for doing so, and don’t expect anyone to look up to me b/c I don’t. It’s a personal choice, and is a non-essential item in relation to our faith and salvation. Same goes for these movies. If YOU feel convicted that it’s wrong, then don’t seem them, as you feel led. For others (including myself), we don’t have that same conviction, and don’t see that Scripture forbids it. We don’t look up to you b/c you haven’t seen them, and don’t want to be looked down upon for having seen them. It’s the same concept.

    “I encourage you and plead with you to read testimonies of people that have had Near Death experiences of hell, and of CHRISTIAN’S that are heading that way. see http://www.insightsofgod.com Watch out! The Way is not easy! The path is narrow! But the rewards are eternal and worth giving up the easy ways of the world.” (Jen)

    Jen, do you REALLY believe all these stories on that website? I personally do not. I can’t say they all are or aren’t true definitively, but I certainly don’t believe them. Do I believe God allows people to come close to death, experience “hell”, and then come back to life to talk about it? No, I don’t, not for a second. He has given us all the evidence we need, and all the reasons in the world, to not doubt Him, and if people aren’t convinced given all the evidence, then they truly don’t WANT to believe.

    “Jesus, who died for you and would have died for you even if you were the only person in the world, He loves you!” (Jen)

    Nobody’s disagreeing with you on this point, Jen.

  24. Anonymous said

    If you guys worship Mary-then that is devil worship exspecially if you call her the Queen of Heaven. It’s in the Bible and hence the reason why I no longer like the Roman Catholic Church. In fact before I read Harry Potter I was interested in the occult but not afterward. And plus you are getting it off of a fake newspaper who spreads lies and tells tales called the Onion.

  25. MiMi said

    Brad,
    Kuduos to you my brother!!

    Jen,
    Get real and get a life!!
    It seems to me that there is some scripture somewhere in the bible about
    self-righteousness, I’m sure you can quote it, find it, write it, say it, live it, etc. Or maybe you missed that part of the bible.

    I can only imagine what you think of the “WIZARD of Oz”!! Ohhhhh My………

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  28. John said

    John the Witch here, popping back in for a look after a number of years.
    Ah…these were some good times, here[smiles].

    And then this place became a metaphorical “graveyard”. A real pity, that.
    I wonder…do you ever miss it, Stu?

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