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Should the church avoid issues like abortion, homosexuality and politic?

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13 Responses to “Today’s Guest: Gary DeMar”

  1. PatriotBeliever said

    No! That is what is wrong with our Churches and our Country, as was pointed out on your show today. Christian Americans better wake up and become active in the culture, politics, community etc. before it is to late. And the pulpit better get active to and start leading the people into the battle. Jesus didn’t try and NOT offend people. He did the Father’s will… period. What we see today in our country is what happens when churches and church people keep to themselves and don’t get involved.

  2. Anonymous said

    If you want to counsel women against abortions and assist those in need (single parents, orphans, etc.) I agree wholeheartedly.

    It’s when you suggest that the government can stop abortions from happening that we part ways. When right wingers look to the government to fix things their hypocrisy becomes more blatant.

    It’s that old demon that right wingers can’t seem to exorcise: that misplaced belief that we need to be a Christian nation instead of a nation of Christians.

    Appeal to God, not the Congress of the United States.

  3. Brad said

    Anonymous,

    I, and many other Christians, are all for counseling and helping those in need.

    I don’t suggest, nor do I think the show necessarily suggested, that the government can stop abortions, simply by making them illegal. Drug trafficking is illegal – has that stopped the flow of drugs? Clearly not, and nobody is under the illusion that it has. The same would be the case with abortion or homosexuality. It wouldn’t necessarily stop it, but I believe it would decrease it, and it would at least set up prescribed consequences for it if it occurred.

    You seem to think that “right-wingers” are hypocrites, but haven’t given much evidence to support that. I would say that “right-wingers” are hypocrites – the same as “the far leftists” and those sitting square atop the fence. Why? B/c we’re all sinful by nature, and nobody perfectly thinks of others before themselves.

    I, nor many others, don’t look to the government to completely fix things, but I do look to them to at least help. And bringing the issues of abortion and homosexuality to light and making them illegal would help. The only thing that would totally fix the problem is if ALL were to come to Christ and ALL were to live their lives according to God’s Word. Nobody, including “right-wingers”, is under the illusion that will ever happen.

    Many of us HAVE appealed to God – the fact that we are also looking to appeal to government doesn’t negate that. We are acting on our beliefs.

    I agree with your statement that we need to be a nation of Christians, as opposed to a Christian nation. That theory is true. But since it’s not the case, at least yet, what is wrong with Christians trying to bring Godly principles and morals into government?

    I can’t currently say to anyone “you can’t have an abortion, b/c it’s illegal.” But I can most definitely say “you shouldn’t have an abortion, b/c God does not approve.” But wouldn’t it be nice to be able to say “you can’t, b/c it’s illegal, but more importantly, you shouldn’t, b/c God doesn’t approve”?

  4. Anonymous said

    “But wouldn’t it be nice to be able to say “you can’t, b/c it’s illegal, but more importantly, you shouldn’t, b/c God doesn’t approve”?”

    So, will you be for the death penalty for the women and their doctors who violate your new law? or life imprisonment?

    No. We shouldn’t criminalize this issue. The same thing will happen that happened with the “war on drugs”. We’ll have more criminals than we know what to do with all so the right wingers can crow about being tough on crime. Do you want to raise taxes to build more jails to put the women and their doctors (or drug users) in? Of course not! Raising taxes is a left wing idea.

    That is where the hypocrisy is, Brad.

    Oh, and why deny anyone the tax breaks associated with a legal contract (civil union)?

    Because you want your religious beliefs written in to the law of the land. But right wingers are for tax breaks, right?

    It’s all about appearances with you guys.

  5. Brad said

    I am for God’s laws and morals, above all else. If it means we have more declared criminals, more jails, higher taxes (all of which is supposition at this point), then I’m OK with that.

  6. Anonymous said

    That’s why I oppose your poltics. You would have a Christian Taliban in the USA. Then we would only be free to be like Brad.

  7. Brad said

    Christian Taliban? How so?

    Am I not free to vote how I want to? Am I not afforded that right by the Constitution? Are you not afforded that right yourself?

    If that’s the case, then all it takes is a majority. If a majority of the people want something a certain way, and they vote that way, then it will happen. If the majority doesn’t want it that way, it won’t.

    Don’t you vote the way you believe? So do I.

    I’m not about making people do something by means of force, rather I’m trying to vote into law the way I believe, just like every other American who votes does.

    What is wrong with that? If you think something is wrong with that, you have an issue more with the voting process than you do with me.

  8. Anonymous said

    “If a majority of the people want something a certain way, and they vote that way, then it will happen.”

    Nope. Not as long as we have three seperate but equal branches of government. You’ve forgotten your High School Civics lessons, Brad. You did study Civics in High School, right?

  9. Brad said

    Insult aside, you would be somewhat correct, but only to a point. The President (Executive branch) can veto a bill, but Congress (Legislative branch) can then override that veto, if they have enough support (may be 2/3, but not quite sure on that one). So if the majority is large enough, then it WILL be the law, despite the President’s objections, if any.

    The judges & Supreme Court (Judicial branch) are there to interpret the law, not make it, so that really only comes into play after a law has been made or when a law is being challenged.

    You have now managed to get this completely off-course, so good job with that. Is that b/c you might be relegated to nit-picking the small stuff, b/c you can’t argue with the overall point?

  10. Anonymous said

    “Is that b/c you might be relegated to nit-picking the small stuff, b/c you can’t argue with the overall point?”

    I disagree that the make up of our government and how laws are made is small stuff.

    What you say about the three branches of government I implied (with fewer words)in my previous post. You need to redirect your question to yourself.

    As to the overall point. That would be should Christians avoid issues like politics, abortion, homesexuality, etc.

    I have addressed the overall point to my best understanding of it. Perhaps you missed my meaning, or perhaps one of us is feigning obtuseness?

    Warmest Regards,

    A. Nonymous

    P.S. I have had my say on this. You can have the last word for my part.

  11. Tom said

    Brad and Anonymous,

    Stop the name calling and politicking and address the real issue, will ya?

    Fact: Murder (the killing of another human being) is illegal.

    Fact: Abortion is the killing of another human being, therefore is murder and *should be* illegal.

    To disagree with that statement obligates one to define when human life begins. THAT is the central issue. This gets overlooked in debates that always generate more heat than light.

    Anonymous, if you are ok with murder being illegal, to be consistent you should be ok with abortion=murder being illegal. If not, tell me, when does human life begin? One other thing, congratulations for being an abortion survivor!

  12. Anonymous said

    “To disagree with that statement obligates one to define when human life begins. THAT is the central issue. This gets overlooked in debates that always generate more heat than light.”

    Tom says that killing a human being is murder. That isn’t right, is it? If it is, you fundies got some ‘splaining to do.

    If one reads the fundamentalist agenda correctly, and I believe that I do, then contraceptives should be illegal, too. After all doesn’t the Bible tell us that before we were born He knew us?

    This is why we do not need to make abortion a crime. Reasonable people will differ in their opinions as to when human life begins.

  13. Anonymous said

    Brad, Where in the Bible does God endorse jails?

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