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Today’s Topic – The Death Penalty

Posted by truthtalklive on March 6, 2007

Should Christians be FOR or AGAINST the death penalty?

Why?

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37 Responses to “Today’s Topic – The Death Penalty”

  1. Anonymous said

    We should take care of criminals with compassion and forgiveness. The chance of rehabilitation is good for a lot of them. That means humane living conditions and no death penalty.

    I never understand how you right wingers can be pro-torture.

  2. Anonymous said

    I wish you would give Jeremy, I think is his name, a chance to finish a sentence. I am a Christian and I used to be in favor of the death penalty. I am against it now. I agree with the previous post, what about compassion and forgiveness? There can still be consequences without executing someone. You can’t undo it if you are wrong.

  3. Anonymous said

    This is my first time hearing your show, and it will more than likely be my last. Par for the course in today’s Christianity, you are picking and chosing which scriptures are real. Do you eat pork? Do you have tattoos? Piercings? Does your wife wear makeup or bear her skin? Ever touched a bodily fluid? According to the parts of the Bible that you’re not using, everyone who answers yes is going to hell. And by the way, it’s nice to know that you know what Jesus meant by sparing the woman that was about to be stoned. I thought God only talked to Pat Robertson these days, nice to know he has time for you as well. Stop arguing over trivial things and start worrying about the real problems within the Church itself. And, I thought Montel talked too much for a host, man, you’ve now bumped Montel off the charts. Why have an interview on if they can’t talk?

  4. Anonymous said

    I don’t think Stu sounds like he’s trying to be right, I think he sounds like an overbearing, arrogant talk show host who’s trying to make the phones ring. A Christian shock jock, what will they think of next??????
    Pick and chose, Stu, pick and chose.

  5. Anonymous said

    After a man was let out of prison for threatening the life of the President of the USA, he murdered my husband’s father while robbing a convenience store…my husband was 9 years old, his brother was 7. The man was given the death penalty here in NC, then the death penalty was deemed unconstitutional, so he got 25 to life and went up for parole about 5 years ago. Fortunately parole was denied because this man constantly stays in trouble. A local news station interviewed him, and he was not a bit remorseful when asked what effect his actions had on the murdered man’s children, his words were “apparently the man loved his money more than his life, so he didn’t deserve to live”. He also was denied parole because he stays in trouble and solitary confinement a lot because he can’t behave. My husband and his brother have paid their entire lives because of the pain this man brought into their family. That is who your guest wants to protect?

  6. Anonymous said

    Liberals????? I’m somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan, and I still think the last two comments are right, Stu’s picking and chosing the parts that he wants to! Tonight while you eat pork chops, crab, or shrimp, be sure the be thankful that you believe in that death penalty!

  7. Kassie said

    I am 17 and have had a hard time deciding my stance on the death penalty.

    However, having experienced deaths among my friends and family in the past year, I don’t see where as humans have the right to extinguish life.

    Life is priceless, and is not ours to give or take. Although others may kill, it is not our duty as Christians to decide who lives and who does not. That’s God’s decision.

  8. JROC said

    The death penalty is bad public policy.

  9. Anonymous said

    Stu,

    You are nothing more than a right-wing bigot who is also obvioulsy a republican. How dare you pretend that Jeremy is not a Christian because he doesn’t believe the same way as you. I live in the same town that houses Bob Jones University and you probably went there. You all are exactly the kind of people that drives people as far away as they can get from Jesus. It is insane of you to tell listeners that Jesus believed in the death penalty.

    I’m sure you practically worship Bush also since he is such a great person for taking it upon himself to have thousands of innocent people killed overseas. But wait a minute, those people don’t believe like you and him so I guess it is ok. Idiot.

  10. Anonymous said

    sorry, but I had to leave a comment to the previous post calling Stu an idiot . . . PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH! What is this name calling, elementary school?

  11. JROC said

    We should follow the law and be lawful so long as those laws do not conflict with out religious beliefs.
    As Christians it is our responsibility to witness to our government representatives whenever they are not being moral.
    This was the case with slavery, discrimination, abortion and the death penalty. Stu’s argument would have us not saying anything no matter waht we are not talking about anarchy but reforming the system to better reflect our values That is allowed under the law.

  12. JROC said

    The bottom line is we have no need for the death penalty other than revenge and retribution. Murder can be punihsed by life imprisonment; so why kill?

  13. Anonymous said

    Behaving as a believer in Christ is not always convenient. Often it requires acting outside of our fleshly desires. Society makes it acceptable to do many things, including revenge. For those that are having a difficult time dealing with the pain that a criminal inflicts, I would encourage them to take that pain and give it to Jesus. Our Lord has been burdened with all of our sins and needs. Utilize the gift that he offers to all of us and go to Him on any difficulties you are having. Allow Him to liberate you. If you have a hard time with this, you may not believe that He is the Savior that He really is.

  14. JROC said

    it is impossible to make the argument that in the flawed society we live in, we are given the authority by God to execute perfect justice.

  15. JROC said

    Poor people and minorities are disproportionatly sentenced to death

  16. JROC said

    truth be told most people don’t care about the death penalty.

  17. Anonymous said

    The death penalty is Biblical. Vengence is the Lord’s, and since He is sovreign, do you think it’s a possibility He could use the government that He established to bring His consequences on those who break the law? Look at what God has to say . . . . Romans 13-
    “Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”

  18. PatriotBeliever said

    I used to be very pro death penalty mostly as a deterrent. I no longer hold to that view as I feel it cannot be truly justified in present day America.

    A big issue for me now is that it can be shown that 15% or more of death row inmates are in fact not guilty for the crime they are to die for. Compound onto that a high rate of corruption throughout American criminal justice and we have the potential to kill many innocent individuals. Life in prison without possibility for parole makes more sense in today’s America.

    Lastly, when people repeat Romans chapter 13 constantly in defense of unquestioning and blind loyalty to government officials (which I heard today a few times on the show), they are missing very important historical and biblical context in the matter.

    Romans was written to those under rulers like Nero, but we live today in a very different system in America than they were under in the dictatorship of Rome.

    It’s easy to forget that we live in a representative republic here where the ultimate authority is the constitution and We the People are the self governing collective “king” (believe it or not), not political parties, individuals or even the President. This is why we can remove and replace any official and even the whole government and start over according to our founding documents.

    Of course all of that sounds rather radical because generation after generation of Americans have slowly lost a little more of these facts, but they are true. I say all of that to point out the context through which Romans 13 must be viewed, not blind loyalty to government (in the name of God) but governmental order through responsibility by individuals…

    In America anyway. That is unique in both the world and history.

    Of course there is always something to be said about responsible grace, which can be carried out through life behind bars.

  19. JROC said

    I agree!

  20. biteback said

    you people who are resorting to calling people names, like you have here with stu ought to be ashamed of yourselves….it’s a 2-way street and he gets excited about these topics as every Christian should…they’re important topics and how dare you stoop to name calling….how about focusing on the issues, for crying out loud…you ought to be thanking stu for giving you people the opportunity to express your opinions instead of hurling insults…we need him and his show….tighten up

  21. jnow37 said

    hey anonymous’ (3rd and 4th post here) – you listened to the show one time and you’re asking derogatory questions of the host and calling him an overbearing, arrogant host….low blow….stu doesn’t have an arrogant bone in his body, but he does get worked up when these hot-button topics are discussed…he acts that way because he is passionate about what he does…if every Christian stood up for what he/she believed like stu we’d be a lot better off…stu exposes false teachers and false doctrine and i would venture to say that you know little about either…wise up and take a lesson from someone who knows what they’re doing or you are welcome to cast the first stone…this is how the show is, so if you can’t take the heat you know what to do…

  22. Anonymous said

    Stu is often rude on the air. He can defend himself for that.

    I suggest writing the show’s sponsors if you have a complaint.

    It’s entertainment; like the Donahue show, or Povich, etc. The sponsors are his bosses.

  23. Chris said

    Stu,

    This is my first post here. I am undecided on the death penalty but your show certainly gave me something to think about.

    Now for my question. You used as the basis for your argument, genesis nine. The second part of the laws given was to be fruitful and multiply. Are you keeping this law. I believe in letting God control the size of my family, I have eight blessings so far, and I have not read any part of the bible that says we have the right to control life. Most birth controls are abortafaciant so there goes another law…..

    I could go on but the point of this is that the reason your guest did not want to agree with you is this.

    It did not fit into HIS RELIGIOUS BOX.

    We are all guilty of this. We take the parts of the bible that we like and advocate for them. I have found that things like money can influence a persons biblical convictions. Hence the fact that more and more people are waiting until they are financially secure before they have their one or two children.

    Just my little attempt at stirring the pot.

  24. E. A. Timm said

    Raleigh’s Folly

    It is Raleigh’s folly to even entertain a moratorium on the death penalty as they stooped to have a hearing on it in February. The blood of the dead victims demands justice, not a moratorium for any reason. The goal of the justice system should be life for life, and not life imprisonment, which ends up being 8 years on a national average.
    The appropriate punishment for murder was settled thousands of years ago. God demanded – “Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.” right after the flood. So when you see the rainbow and remember God’s promise; remember his demand, which is not just to those in authority, but to everyone: “at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man.” Genesis 9.
    To disregard God’s very clear commands by other reasoning, as others have done in Matthew 15:6 “ye have made the commandments of God of no effect…” , and Romans 1:25 “Who changed the truth of God into a lie…” opens the door to the degrading, deterioration and judgment of society. God’s standard of right, wrong and just punishment does not change, since he cannot change. If God could change his mind on such fundamentals, it would make him untrustworthy. Remember that whenever a Holy God speaks it can never be unjust, unfair, not good, evil, nor superseded by the reasoned opinions of man.
    For those that distrust God’s word as the standard – one must ask where do you get your standard of right and wrong? If there is anything right or wrong, then somewhere there must be a standard for it. If there is evil, there must be good, and to differentiate between the two there must be a foundational moral law. If there is a foundational moral law, there must be a foundational moral lawgiver; if no lawgiver, there is no evil. But IF THERE IS EVIL AND GOOD, THEN WE MUST KNOW THE DIFFERENCE: and not only for ourselves, but for the sake of our family and society; for guidance, purpose, and meaning. If democracy is one’s answer, then it is an unstable standard of change lead by a host of persuasions from finances to violence. Historically there were cultures where the standard for right incorporated barbarianism, cannibalism, savagery, and heinous immorality. So where does the godless man get his standard? Should it be from the most threatening, that has to be appeased? Should we then make arbitrary law our standard, which invalidates itself from just law by definition? Should we continue to make justice a merry-go-round of: catch, try, jail, release – catch, try, jail, release – catch…; with all expenses paid by the innocent? How unjust!
    A balanced scale used to be the standard, with the punishment equal to the crime. A blindfolded woman holding a balanced scale had been our symbol of justice. Yet a more accurate symbol of justice is that of a woman not blindfolded, with a balanced scale and her sword pointing to the opened Bible, done by Paul Robert; titled “Justice lifts the Nations”. Justice starts with the protection of the good and innocent of society, followed by punishment equal to the crime, and not charging the innocent for burdens and expenses that the criminal created. Moratoriums and more rights for the murders shows Raleigh’s weakness, ignorance, and folly.

    E. A. Timm

  25. Douglas Kountz said

    Does anyone still understand what it means to “rightly divide the word of truth” (2 Tim. 2:15)? I fully understand that studying the Scriptures takes time, but the Holy Spirit is our “unction” in giving believers understanding of His Word. I read statements about pork and make-up, and women wearing make-up (Which make-up by the way is not negated by the Scriptures. Just because Jezebel wore make-up does not mean it is a sin. John Hinkley was carrying a New Testament when he attempted assassination on President Reagan, should we throw out the New Testament because of that?). Read Galatians 4 people! Why are you putting yourselves under the law? The law started with Moses and ended with the cross. Genesis 9:6 states, “Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.” You keep referring to things that were required under the dispensation of the law. Capital punishment was before the law, during the law and after the law. God set up human government and requires human government to follow His commands. Obviously we live in a weak society that has shunned God but that does not take away His truth. We have reached a point where we are afraid to perform corporal punishment; therefore we have a society of young people that are not afraid to get out of the road when a vehicle approaches them. God does not change and whether you have the guts to pull the switch when a person is convicted of a capital crime or not does not negate God’s Word. Everyone wants to give their opinions. (Funny how often they are anonymous.) What about God’s Word? We do not make the rules! We are commanded to follow them! By the way, before someone throws out Exodus 20:13 and tries to claim that as a verse against capital punishment. That verse is talking murder. Look also at Numbers 15:33 where God commanded capital punishment to be performed upon a man for breaking God’s command. It’s funny to me that those who keep saying we should not eat pork etc, try to pervert a verse under the Law to prove their opinion. I would not be in agreement with a man being executed for gathering sticks today, because we are not under the Mosaic Law. Is Capital punishment in my opinion correct? No, because my opinion and your opinion does not matter! What matters is what did God command for us to do in the case of a capital crime? He commands it. That settles it! I will have to go with God on this one.

  26. Anonymous said

    “Everyone wants to give their opinions. (Funny how often they are anonymous.)”

    I often post anonymously because I want to avoid the personal attacks and hate mail from the right wingers. Funny? Hardly.

    “What about God’s Word? We do not make the rules!”

    God’s word is not the law of the land. We do make the rules in the USA. Thank God for that!

    You can’t be suggesting that we use the Old Testament for our secular laws, can you? What then? Stoning people in the streets? Isn’t that what the Taliban were doing?

  27. Doug Kountz said

    Read my article again. This time with an open mind. My statement said nothing about returning to the law. In fact it said the opposite. My goal was not to send hate mail. You just said “God’s word is not the law of the land. We do make the rules in the USA. Thank God for that!” Obviously you have no consistent belief about God or you would not have contradicted yourself like that. That is fine though. That is your belief. A cursory study of history would verify where the beliefs of this country came from. Even the liberals and conservatives agree with that. Sadly you are correct though. We do make the rules. I cannot argue with that. I only wish I could. As far as hate mail that you have received. Although I did not send that to you, I am sorry. Jesus mentioned in Matthew 7 that there would be wolves in sheeps clothing. I am afraid too many times things are done in the name of Christianity that most often come from the devil. I guess a couple of things (although there are many), I love about my relationship with the Lord is that His Word never changes, and that He forgives me when I do go my own way. If you were offended by my comment about anonymous, then I am truly sorry. The problem is that there are so many hypocrites (not including you at all) that are quick to judge and attack but do not have the guts to stand up for what they believe in public. Have a great day. I know I am having one.

  28. Anonymous said

    Doug, The laws of the land, including the Constitution, are not God’s laws. We have a secular government that allows us to follow God’s laws in our private lives.

    My opposition is to the current secular laws that allow capital punishment.

    Anyways, as a liberal I am outnumbered on this blog. I like to stand up for my side of the political issues for the sake of discussion.

  29. PatriotBeliever said

    Sorry guys, but although America is a government where “we make the laws”, government of the people/by the people, the founders, whether Christian or Theists, most of them did use the Bible to establish much of the Constitution and definitely to justify rebelling and fighting for independence from the throne of England. That basic fact is hardly debatable. Read the Declaration and go through the Federalist Papers and other writings.

    Of course, we have swerved far from that original way of thinking today.

  30. Doug Kountz said

    Liberal Anon.
    Hope you don’t mind me shortening your name,I feel as though we are good enough friends. The great thing about America is that we do have the right to stand up for what we believe and have the ability to shout it out. A very dear friend of mine has moved here from Russia recently. She grew up under the socialist government. She recently read a book on Stalin and was amazed at the atrocities he committed. She told me her history books changed every year she was in school. Almost all of the Russian children hated history she told me because it was ever changing. That is one of the things I love about the Bible. The history does not change. On March 1, 1953 Stalin called a meeting of the Politburo. His goal was to eliminate two-thirds of the 3 million Jews still in Russia. On March 2nd, he died of a stroke. His body lie in state until March 9, 1953. (Ironically tomorrow, but more ironically the Feast of Purrim in 1953. e.g. Book of Esther) If he had lived and had been successful my friend would probably not be alive today. She is Jewish. My last name is Jewish as well. The point being is that if he had been successful I can see capital punishment as his fate. I agree with the hangings of Sadaam Hussein, (I did not and will not watch the video, that was a horrible atrocity to be released to the public). Last year I went to Jordan to teach Iraqi refugees the Bible. My heart broke over the stories told. When American Christians claim persecution, most often its because they did not get a raise at work. I met, prayed, and cried with people who Hussein had massacred their mothers, fathers, sisters or brothers. If I am consistent and I do try to be, then I would have to say capital punishment was right for a man who killed hundreds of thousands, then capital punishment is right for the man who kills less. Less being my mother, my sisters, my brother or you or yours.

  31. Anonymous said

    “Of course, we have swerved far from that original way of thinking today.”

    Yes, and mostly for the better.

  32. Anonymous said

    Sorry, Patriotbeliever, but although the founders were Christians they wrote a secular Constitution. That fact is hardly debatable.

    It seems as though you guys are suggesting that we need a theocracy in the USA. Why?

  33. Anonymous said

    Doug, thanks for your considerate reply. I get your point. I am sure that you and I can agree that we are fortunate to be citizens in a free society. We can disagree and still be good neighbors.

  34. PatriotBeliever said

    Anonymous …(what’s up with all these anonymous’ anyway?)

    No anonymous, We do need a theocracy, but “we” humans are NOT the ones to set this up, the Bible indicates the contrary. Jesus Christ is the only one who can do that and I have not indicated otherwise.

    And I agree, the founding fathers (of which only some were actually Christians) did set up a secular constitution…

    …based at least partially on the Bible.

    I never said they wanted anything like a theocracy. Far from it. The founding fathers of America understood more than anyone what human government was capable of “in the name of God”.

    What they did with the Constitution was to “secure the Blessings of Liberty”… Creator endowed unalienable rights, according to the Declaration of Independence. Then they tied the hands (or attempted to) of that government with the Bill of Rights.

    In my humble opinion, any “theocracy” before Christ institutes one personally on Earth Himself will fail and most assuredly mutate into some form of tyranny. That’s history’s take anyway.

    I recommend books like “The Bible and the Constitution of the United States of America”
    By: Verna M. Hall, Rosalie J. Slater

    “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian.” – United States Supreme Court, 1892.

  35. Doug Kountz said

    Thanks Liberal Anon.
    Interesting blog today.
    Actually this is my first blog. It was stimulating. Its hard to resist a good challenge. It is important to know what we believe. We all believe something, but what we base that belief on or who we base our belief’s in do matter.

  36. Anonymous said

    OK, got it, Patriotbeliever. Thanks, for not smacking me too hard!

  37. PatriotBeliever said

    I don’t like trying to smack anyone, I’m not very good at it.

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