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Are Mormons Christians too?

Posted by truthtalklive on December 13, 2006

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16 Responses to “Are Mormons Christians too?”

  1. Anonymous said

    That depends on your definition of being a christian.

  2. Brad said

    It is true, that depends on your definition of a Christian.

    But let’s define “Christian” as following the Jesus Christ of the common (KJV, NIV, NAS, etc…) Bible and following the paths outlined in the Bible, holding to those paths as the only truth.

    Then no, Mormons are clearly not Christians.

  3. Anonymous said

    So why can’t Mormans follow Jesus? I thought that we are saved by faith in Jesus. What does it matter which church you belong to?

    Or are you saying that you know know what is in their hearts?

  4. trans-siberian said

    Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers. What do you think Jesus would say to someone who professes to believe that and follow Him at the same time?

  5. Brad said

    Anonymous, you’re painting yourself into a theological corner here, b/c you cannot be Christian (let’s use the definition I stated, for arguments’ sake) and then also say that Mormons can follow Jesus too (implying while still being Mormons). This is impossible, given the nature of the Jesus that each group believes in, b/c they believe in 2 separate people.

    Was Jesus Satan’s brother? Is He our brother? Do we get to Heaven based solely on our faith in Him, apart from works?

    Mormons answer those questions 1 way, Christians answer them in an opposite way. The reason – there are 2 opposite sets of belief that each holds to.

    It doesn’t matter what church you belong to, it matters what you believe. I’m not going to heaven for going to a Baptist church, any more than Mormons aren’t going to heaven b/c they go to a Mormon temple. And no, I don’t know exactly what is in their hearts. But you can tell what they believe by where they place their faith, by what they say, and by the teachings they follow. And if they are going to a Mormon temple and following those teachings, it would only stand to reason that they do NOT hold to a Christian point of view, but to a Mormon point of view, and therefore are NOT saved.

    I hope that you, if you identify yourself as a Christian, are not saying otherwise…

  6. Anonymous said

    I don’t know enough about theology to paint myself into a corner.

    It is not we who know what is in the hearts of man. If a Mormon, or any one else believes in Jesus then he is a christian.

    To claim to know what another believes is foolishness.

  7. Brad said

    Anonymous, you are either not aware enough of the teachings of Mormonism to understand the difference, or you are just arguing for argument’s sake. Since you say that you “don’t know enough about theology to paint yourself into a corner”, I’ll assume the former, that you just don’t know all that Mormonism encompasses.

    You seem to perhaps be caught in the trap that Mormons often use with those who don’t know enough about them to know they’re different from Christianity. How much studying have you done about Mormonism? If you’ve done a lot (as I have), you’ll know that the TERMINOLOGY they use is VERY similar to the TERMINOLOGY that we as Christians use, but the MEANING behind the words is much different, based on their beliefs about God, Jesus, etc… They do believe in a person called Jesus, that is true, and they will tell you that. But the Jesus they believe in is NOT the same as the Jesus we believe in. Why? B/c as I said in a previous post, the attributes of their “Jesus” are clearly not the same as ours. And it’s not that they have somehow misinterpreted Scripture to come up with their attributes – they have invented 3 additional books that they also count as Scripture!

    You said that “it is not we who know what is in the hearts of man. If a Mormon, or any one else believes in Jesus then he is a christian.” And I would agree, AS LONG AS the Jesus they believe in is the Jesus of the Bible, and not a Jesus that has been twisted into what they want Him to be. Mormons don’t believe that Jesus’ death on the cross is enough to save us, they believe that works are what ultimately save us (and in fact, believe that works will enable them to actually become “gods” in their heaven) – do you believe this? What does Scripture say – “even the demons believe, and shudder” as it relates to knowing who Jesus is, but they don’t “believe” in Him!

    You also say “to claim to know what another believes is foolishness.” And I agree, and in fact explained my position on this in a previous post. You are using an argument here that actually many non-Christians try to use, which is to say “You can’t possibly know what another person believe – only God can.” And that is true – I cannot know 100% what someone else believes. But Scripture does tell us how we can recognize true Christians, and how we can recognize people who are not Christians, and that is by their words, their beliefs, and their actions. It’s not enough for someone to say “I know who Jesus is” – does their life and their beliefs back that statement up? If not, then it’s at least a good bet that they probably DON’T! James chapter 2 speaks to this very clearly.

    Anonymous, this isn’t meant as insults to you, but as encouragement to really study a bit more about them and what they REALLY believe. Based on what you’ve said thus far, I think you might be shocked…

  8. Brandan said

    I think that yes mormons can be true christians. Christianity is defined in one verse:

    “In order to enter the Kingdom of God, ye must be BORN AGAIN” John 3:3

    So therefore If some mormons do really truly get saved yet still belive the lies of Joeseph Smith, then they are truly saved and will go to heaven yet doctorines are wrong

    ~Rev.Brandan

  9. anonymous said

    By every definition in the Bible of what Jesus considers his followers to be, of course, Mormons are Christians if they live up to their beliefs which include the Bible!

    To pretend to know and profess otherwise is unacceptable to genuine Christians.

  10. Brad said

    I think that yes mormons can be true christians. Christianity is defined in one verse:

    “In order to enter the Kingdom of God, ye must be BORN AGAIN” John 3:3

    If Christianity could be defined in one verse, then why the rest of the Bible, Brandan? I can’t be “born again”, b/c I’ve already been born, and there’s no going back inside my mother’s womb. So if we must be “born again”, then it’s physically impossible for ANYONE to get to Heaven, isn’t it? Based on what I’ve just told you about the verse you quoted, I’d be curious to hear your response.

    So therefore If some mormons do really truly get saved yet still belive the lies of Joeseph Smith, then they are truly saved and will go to heaven yet doctorines are wrong

    You’ve painted a red herring, a straw man, an impossible situation. You can’t be saved yet still believe in Mormonism and Smith’s lies (which you seem to agree that they ARE lies, by your statement). You have only to look at what Smith’s “lies” are to see that. I think you may have a big misconception about salvation, and what is important.

    ~Rev.Brandan

    If indeed you are a “reverend”, that is truly sad and scary. If you truly believe the way you do, then I will pray for your congregation, b/c if you’re wrong about this, I wonder what else you’re wrong about.

  11. Brad said

    By every definition in the Bible of what Jesus considers his followers to be, of course, Mormons are Christians if they live up to their beliefs which include the Bible!

    More misinformation about what Mormonism believes. You have to remember, the followers of Jesus followed the man they saw, the man who was fully man as Jesus Christ yet fully God as the Son. They followed the man who said you come to Him only through faith, not through any works. They followed the man who is the only God, of which there are no more and of which we cannot attain for ourself in eternity. Yes, if Mormons followed THAT Jesus, and adhered to the Bible’s teachings, then they may be saved. Problem is, they don’t.

    To pretend to know and profess otherwise is unacceptable to genuine Christians.

    To pretend what you say is true shows me you have no idea what you’re talking about. I can’t speak to YOUR salvation, b/c I don’t know what you believe. But what you believe about Mormons is wrong and unscriptural.

  12. Anonymous said

    Brad: “They followed the man who said you come to Him only through faith, not through any works.”

    Brad, if they were “followers” at all, then you only know this by their works. It is the definition of a follower and a desiciple to boot. One must have a disciplline to “follow.” Jesus gave us this discipline in the rest of the Bible which you mention.

    How and why did they follow? Because they had faith. Faith and works are not combative but go hand in hand. If one has faith, he will want to do what Jesus admonishes. Why is this difficult for you to comprehend?

    I wish you could be as sure about your own definition of “born again” as you are about whether or not OTHERS are saved, man.

  13. Mike S said

    Hey Amanda
    You’re sounding like a Reformer now. 🙂 I agree. One HAS to have faith first. And that faith has no strings. Just effects… which are works. I think Brad would also agree with that. Have a great day!!!

  14. Mike S said

    Oops. I’m not sure that was Amanda. I could of sworn the post said Amanda, not Anonymous. My Bad

  15. Anonymous said

    The post actually said both Anonymous and Amanda–or it should have. If I haven’t written on a post in a while–or I am writing on a new post, it usually says “Anonymous,” and if I don’t sign the post, it will not identify me.

    And Mike, the reason I sound like a “Reformer” is because we both believe the Bible on that one. 🙂 The “Mormon” Article of faith lays out clearly the principles and ordinances of salvation as given through latter-day revelation, consistent with Biblical teaching:

    First, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of the hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    So it is, and so it has always been–as dictated by God, that is, and not man. If you have no “saving faith”, you will do none of the ones that follow #1. If you do not comply with instructions from the Lord, you have no promise of salvation. Since many have died without the benefit of the last two (before authority was restored, not being exposed to it, not knowing about it…), our Lord, who is just and whose house is a house of order, has provided a way for them to receive these ordinances before they receive eternal life in His kingdom.

  16. Anonymous said

    Are Mormons Christians?

    by Stephen E. Robinson

    Of course we are Christians. Why would anyone say otherwise? Here are the facts.

    Stephen E. Robinson, “Are Mormons Christians?” New Era, May 1998, 41
    If you live in Utah, you may be surprised. If you live where Latter-day Saints are a minority, you’ve probably heard it before—perhaps many times. But there are sincere people out there who believe the Latter-day Saints aren’t Christians. In fact, the accusation that we are not Christians is probably the most commonly heard criticism of the LDS Church and its doctrines today.

    Why would anyone say such a thing? Isn’t the name of our church The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Do we not worship Christ? Is not the Book of Mormon another testament of Jesus Christ? How could anyone seriously doubt that Latter-day Saints are Christians?

    The purpose of this article is to help you understand why some people make this accusation. Knowing that, perhaps you can be more comfortable and knowledgeable in dealing with such views when you hear them expressed. But remember that the spirit of contention is always un-Christian (see D&C 10:63). This article is meant to provide information and understanding rather than ammunition for disputes.

    There are a number of arguments used supposedly to “prove” that we are not Christian. It is important to recognize that none of them have anything to do with whether or not Latter-day Saints believe in Jesus Christ. Rather, what they basically boil down to is this: Latter-day Saints are different from the other Christian churches. (We understand that these differences exist because traditional Christianity has wandered from the truth over the centuries, but other denominations see things otherwise.) Their arguments against the Latter-day Saints being Christian generally fall into six basic categories

    We have discussed arguments some people use for claiming that Latter-day Saints are not Christians. Notice that not one of these addresses the question of whether we accept Jesus Christ as the divine Son of God and Savior. Our critics don’t address this—the only issue that really matters—for the LDS position here is an unassailable matter of record. Our first article of faith [A of F 1:1] declares our belief in Jesus Christ. We meet every Sunday and partake of the sacrament to renew our faith in and our commitment to Him as the Son of God and the Savior of the world.

    I have frequently asked non-LDS critics exactly which Book of Mormon teachings about Jesus Christ they disagree with. Invariably the response has been that it isn’t what the Book of Mormon says that is offensive to them—it is the Book of Mormon itself. Most anti-Mormons reject the LDS scriptures without knowing or caring what those scriptures actually teach about Christ. You see, it isn’t really the LDS doctrine of Christ that is objectionable; rather, it is the claim that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, that the Book of Mormon is God’s word, and that the gospel has been restored to the earth in the latter days.

    Both the Book of Mormon as scripture and Joseph Smith as a prophet bear witness to Jesus Christ as Savior. The Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price bear that same great witness, as do all of the modern prophets and apostles. Though all the world may say that Latter-day Saints do not know or love or worship Jesus Christ, the truth is that we do. If this is not enough to be counted as Christian, then that word has lost its meaning.

    (This article is largely adapted from the book Are Mormons Christians? Bookcraft, 1991.)

    Gospel topics: Jesus Christ, Christianity

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