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Can we take our country back?

Posted by truthtalklive on November 22, 2006

Our government is taking God out of everything….schools, courthouses, landmarks…how can we stop this?

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20 Responses to “Can we take our country back?”

  1. Anonymous said

    You are just as free to practice your religion today as anyone ever was. The only difference is that today I am more free from being subjected to it.

    The more we get religion out of the government the better off we’ll be.

    So tell me what era do you want to “take our country back” to? What you really meant to ask is this:

    How can we make christianity the official religion in the USA?

    Right wingers…you just can’t shoot them.

  2. republicanatic said

    Let’s see what happens when Islam takes over as the dominant religion in the US. Would that make you happy, anonymous? How about we just go ahead with the New World Order? If you have your way, then yes….you’re right…you can’t shoot them…or anything else for that matter because the Right to Bare Arms will cease to exist. Left wingers…..just plain stupid.

  3. Anonymous said

    When you can’t argue the facts you have to resort to personal attacks.

    Let’s take a look at Republicanatic’s response:

    Repub asks if Islam taking over as the dominant religion would make me happy.

    Happy? What would make me happy is to keep our government secular. Then we all can be as free as we want to practice our religions. It’s that secular nature of our Gov’t. that keeps us free. It sounds like you really do want to make Christianity the official religion.
    Would we be better off being ruled by Christian Mullahs? If you think so read some history.

    The New World Order?

    Whatever that is. It sounds like right wing mumbo jumbo to me. Isn’t that something that a right wing president thought would be a good idea? How about we just stick to defending the U.S. Constitution? Then we can be free from entanglements abroad.

    I answered your questions for you, Repub, how about answering mine:

    What era of U.S. History do you right wingers think was so peachy that you’d like to “take the country back” to?

  4. republicanatic said

    America was founded by Christians for the sole purpose of freedom of worship and spreading Christianity. That is a fact that cannot be disuputed. Of course, I want to make Christianity the official religion of the US. My hope and prayer is that nobody should perish, as it is written. This country needs a nationwide revival. I’m standing up for what I believe, not attacking anyone personally. Besides, you came after us right-wingers first. We can agree to disagree, but I won’t change what I believe for anyone.


  5. republicanatic said

    And the era I would like to go back to might be the 50’s, or post WWII……before everything became so politically correct….

  6. Anonymous said

    Hey Republicanatic, why would we be more free with an official religion? Iran has an official religion. So does Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. We need to be more like them? Nuts.

    The Islamic republics have Supreme Islamic Councils. Would we have a Supreme Christian Council? Or would we just have roving Christian Police squads that whip unruly women on the street like the Taliban do in Afghanistan?

    As far as our country being founded to spread Christianity? Where in the Constitution do you read that?

    Why can’t we just practice our religion and let others practice theirs and then we can elect our public officials to enforce the secular law of the land?

    Isn’t that what the USA should be about?

  7. Anonymous said

    Stu asked “can we take our country back?”

    Dear Stu,

    No, we won’t let you.

    Warmest Regards,

    Freedom and Liberty in the USA

  8. republicanatic said

    wow, i can’t believe i’m the only one out here debating this person…

    The fact is this country was, is, and will hopefully continue to be a Christian Nation. Let’s take the myth of ‘Separation of Church and State,’ a passionate subject of mine. We hear so often the term `Separation of Church and State’ as being in the 1st Amendment. But nowhere in our Constitution or in any of the Amendments is this phrase to be found. In fact, for religious practices, the 1st Amendment states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Nowhere does it even hint at a so-called separation of church and state.
    So where did the separation myth come from? It came from a letter written in 1802 by Thomas Jefferson in response to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut when they were concerned that the government might, one day, try to regulate religious expression (sounds like the American Civil Liberties Union – a non-government entity – in our modern times, doesn’t it?). Jefferson responded with an assurance that there was a “wall of separation between church and state” to ensure that the government would never interfere with religious activities.
    For the majority of our country’s existence the 1st Amendment has been understood to mean that our government was prohibited to favor a single religion over another. The national policies and rulings during the first century and a half prove this to be true, as religious doctrine has been injected in nearly every American government document composed.
    Allowing schools to put up pictures of a Christmas Tree or a Menorah during the respective holiday, for an example, or to be taught `Intelligent Design’ along side of the theory of evolution does, in no way, interfere or support one religious belief over another. Nor does it hinder the non-beliefs of atheists who, just like the rest of us, must learn to accept diversity. The 1st Amendment in no way supports the theory that would outlaw religion just because it may offend those of differing beliefs.
    As for the continuing arguments of the separation myth, Thomas Jefferson himself, in a letter written to William Johnson in 1823 (taken from the book Thomas Jefferson: Writings Autobiography / Notes on the State of Virginia / Public and Private Papers / Addresses / Letters) stated: “On every question of construction, carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.”
    It was George Washington who in 1789 issued the first presidential proclamation for prayer as he proclaimed a National Day of Thanksgiving: “It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the Providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and to humbly implore His protection and favor…”
    Also, in his 1796 Farewell Address, Washington pointed out that the two foundations for political prosperity in America were religion and morality, and that no one could be called an American patriot who attempted to separate politics from its two foundations. In that address our first president stated, “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them.
    And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”
    Thomas Jefferson, our third president, declared, “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have removed their only firm basis, that basis is a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God, that they are not to be violated but with His wrath?”
    Benjamin Franklin reminded the delegates to the Constitutional Convention that, “We need God to be our friend, not our enemy; we need Him to be our ally, not our adversary; we need to make sure that we keep His concurring aid.”
    James Madison, the chief architect of the Constitution, said, “We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government: upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”
    Does this sound like our Founding Fathers wanted to separate religion from government on all levels?
    The myth of the so-called separation of church and state is just that – a myth. Unfortunately, this phrase has been drilled so deeply into the consciousness of Americans that most believe these actual words are in the Constitution itself! And the ACLU would have you believe the very same.
    It’s a very sad state of the society in which we live where such an organization can rock the very laws this country was based on right off of its foundation.

    Anyone care to back me up?

  9. Anonymous said

    Republicanatic stated that “We hear so often the term `Separation of Church and State’ as being in the 1st Amendment.”

    And where do we hear that from? From you guys making up straw men for us to blame our problems on, that’s where. No one ever claims that but you say that they do. There you go again making stuff up.

    The fact is that the First Amendment protects all of us by making our government strictly secular. The phrase “wall of seperation” has become (like the word liberal) a slogan for the right wing nuts to try to scare people.

    Hey, Republicanatic, answer me this:

    How are you any less free today to practice your religion today than you would have been 50 years ago?

    We have our strengths and weaknesses as a nation. Blaming the weaknesses on one convenient thing, or person, or idea is just being narrow minded.

    I love this country. I bear you no ill will and all the good will that neighbors should have for one another. We will probably disagree about religion and politics always. But if we let ourselves be ruled by an offical religious doctrine (with all that implies) one of us will not be free anymore.


  10. republicanatic said

    I never said anything about being less free to practice my religion than I was 50 years ago. I think we’ve both stated our sides well enough. I respect your opinion, but I disagree. The bottom line is what’s right is right and what’s wrong is wrong. I dare say most likely everything you stand for is wrong, in my opinion…and I base my opinion on the Word of God. I’ll leave it at that.

  11. Anonymous said

    I believe God bestowed us with free will – the innate freedom to worship God, Allah, Buddha, Tom Cruise, whoever. That was His sovereign choice – we didn’t get to decide that. Along those same lines, God has also said in His Word that those who do not accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior will perish in an eternal hell. So while He has given us free will, He has also given rewards (heaven) and consequences (hell) for the free choices which we make.

    So many people hang their hats on “separation of church and state.” I will always vote at the polls the way I believe, that is my right (and in fact, my duty) as a citizen of the United States. That means that I will look to God’s Word for guidance, and select the best candidates who most closely resemble what I believe God would have us be led by. If others choose to vote different ways, that is their right, which I don’t wish to take away. If enough people believe the same way, then majority will win, and individuals that the majority believes in will be in power. If enough people don’t believe the same way, then others will be in power. I can only control my vote, and pray that others will vote as God would have them to.

    But the bottom line is this – this is not a perfect world. It is not a totally Christian world, it’s not even a totally Christian country. And I personally don’t think it ever will be. As Christians, we have a mandate to share the gospel with everyone we come in contact with – that is clear from Scripture. But we can’t force anyone to believe anything – if they believe b/c they’re forced, then they really haven’t “chosen” to believe, have they? God desires that all men come to repentance, but not by force, but by choice. He knows many will not, thus the existence of hell.

    So people are free to choose their own destination after they die, something God has given us the freedom to do. I hope and pray that all will choose Christ and Heaven, but I am realistic enough to know that that won’t happen.

  12. republicanatic said

    Well, anonymous…..we’re getting closer to common ground here. Let me ask you….you call yourself a “left-winger”….do you agree or disagree with same sex marriages? Are you pro-choice or pro-life? Just curious…

  13. Anonymous said

    Republicanatic – the “anonymous” you were debating with was not the one who wrote this last piece, I did and I wasn’t the first “anonymous.” I just didn’t go to the trouble of making up a name.

    As for my stance(s), I consider myself right-wing, I disagree vehemently with same-sex marriages, and I am strongly pro-life (which also means I am vehemently anti-abortion, for any reason).

  14. Anonymous said

    liberal anonymous here

    I am posting anonymously because while I enjoy arguing these ridiculous points with the wingnuts I wouldn’t enjoy getting a brick through my window, or having my life threatened.

    Anyways, about same-sex marriages: the only interest that the U.S. government has in marriage is for tax purposes. We can vote for or against changes to tax codes. The religious ceremony known as marriage is not a governmental issue. What two people do to celebrate their relationship is beyond our control. Isn’t it?

    About abortion: I am in practice pro-life. We do not need to criminalize abortions. If you want to petition our government concerning abortion do so from a secular or scientific perspective and keep the religious aspect out of the law of the land.

    We can differ vehemently about relgion and politics and still enjoy one another’s company or be good neighbors to one another. Why does your religion need to be officialized? That will only make one of us a criminal.

  15. republicanatic said

    I’ll defer to my comment above. What’s right is right and what’s wrong is wrong…and you are totally entitled to your opinion and I respect that. No doubt, we would be excellent neighbors. We’d never have a lull in conversation while grilling in the back yard.

  16. republicanatic said

    And by the way….how can you pretend to be my friendly neighbor and at the same time call me a “wingnut” and think that I would throw a brick through your window. You liberals are a mess, I tell ya!

  17. Anonymous said

    liberal anonymous here

    Republicanatic, ol’ chum, I am not pretending to be anything. Are you? When I say that I can be a good neighbor I mean that. And if I have referred to you as a wingnut I meant that as a term of endearment.

    As far as chunking bricks goes, I don’t think that you would do such a thing…would you?

    Rightwingers…proof than man sometimes doesn’t evolve.

  18. republicanatic said

    Your snide little comments like this: “Rightwingers…proof than man sometimes doesn’t evolve” will not work. Nice try. I’ll be praying for you, liberal anonymous.

  19. Anonymous said

    pray on, brother!

    Here’s a little more for you. You guys are always quoting the founding fathers to try to back your position. I can just as easily quote the same founders making statements to back up my side. I shall reserve that right and in lieu of that I will ask you a question:

    Just because the founding fathers did something way back when, does that make it right today?

    Of course not…right?

    To prove how little things change over the course of centurys, and to illustrate the persistance of bigotry and tyranny amongst conservative ideals answer yes.

    Warmest Regards,
    Liberal Anonymous

    P.S. maybe you shouldn’t fire that grill up just yet, eh, Republicanatic?

  20. republicanatic said

    You’re welcome around my grill anytime, liberal anonymous. I bare you no ill will either, my friend. You may not see things my way now, but one day you will. I only hope and pray you see the Light before it’s too late. Either way, I’ll see you at the Great White Throne of Judgment. I’ll say it again…what’s right is right and what’s wrong is wrong. I’m still praying for you.

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