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Are Christians being deceived this election?

Posted by truthtalklive on November 3, 2008

Today Stu brings back Chuck Crismier with Save America.  Mr. Crismier is the host of the radio show View Point.  As always thanks for listening and we look foward to your comments!

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64 Responses to “Are Christians being deceived this election?”

  1. Paul said

    Please read Chuck Crismier’s book it’s great. But please listen to what he has to say.Thanks Stu for bringing this man of God back to the show.

  2. Paul said

    The book of Judges tells of a time when “every man did that which was right in his own eyes”(judges 17:6)and the nation fell into chaos. There was a complete lack of morality. That’s where we are headed. The poeple trying to lead are’nt trying to do wrong, they are tying to do right.But they’re blind,so what they think is right is actually wrong. When the blind lead the blind, they both fall into the ditch. Make certain you have real wisdom God’s wisdom. Don’t allow the darkness to be your light.

  3. Paul said

    “Economic democracy” is the system whereby two wolves and a sheep vote on what to have for dinner.

    Christian socialists and defenders of economic planning by state bureaucrats deeply resent this interpretation of their ethical position. They resent it because it’s accurate.

    When Christianity adheres to the judicial specifics of the Bible, it produces free market capitalism.

    On the other hand, when Christianity rejects the judicial specifics of the Bible, it produces socialism or some politically run hybrid “middle way” between capitalism and socialism, where politicians and bureaucrats make the big decisions about how people’s wealth will be allocated. Economic growth then slows or is reversed. Always.

    Free market capitalism produces long-term economic growth. Socialism and middle-way economic interventionism by the state produce poverty and bureaucracy. If your goal is to keep poor people poor, generation after generation, you should promote socialism. But be sure to call it economic democracy in order to fool the voters.

  4. Jared said

    Do we really need to ask this question. We are dealing with politicians who are mostly lawyers. And, they have been contradicting themselves on a nearly daily basis.

    Who knows what to believe about any of them anymore?

  5. Maz said

    Jared: Exactly. I wasn’t going to post on these political questions anymore but….well…I had to agree with you.

  6. Jared said

    Thank Maz.

    When you step back and look at the big picture, it is comical and terribly sad at the same time. Shows us how sinful by nature we truly are when we are choosing between two or more liars and trying to justify, which one of the blatant liars is better.

    If God gives us what we deserved it would be a lot worse than this.

  7. Every year republic plays the relgious card I voted for Bush 4 years ago b/c he was pro family,aganist abortion,faith based programs well guess what under Bush gay marriage law passed abortion still legal,pray not allowed in school, I havn’t heard anything on faith based programming and dont tell me it’s the house that decides we haven’t had an all demeocrate house every repubican presidental year come on Stu. You have these guset on that say it’s okay to vote McCain b/c he’s white but vote Obama & you’re going straight to hell if vote b/c he’s black. I think you have a taste of prejuced in you. I wonder how you rant and raged about Kerry if you even did. By the way I am conservative christian and have voted for Obama Because quite frankly I’m more concerned of Palin possibly becoming president then having Obama as one.

  8. nikki said

    Can we get passed the racial issue please. I think it would have died along time ago if not for the news that keeps shoving it down our throats. If we are belivers in Christ there is no black, white, mexican whatever we are brothers and sisters in Christ. If not then we seriously need to rethink our relationship to Christ. I listened to the show today as always and the issue is christian not racism. MaCain is no saint neither does he claim to be but Obama claims to be a Christian and then turns and goes against the word of God. The writing is on the wall are we reading it or will we to turn away?

  9. Lauren said

    Stu’s and TTL’s personal “Crusade” against Barack Obama and abortion obviously know no end! I can appreciate their strong feelings on this issue because it is important, but in the process they’ve seemingly “sold their soul to the Devil”. How can they honestly sleep at night as professed Christians by continuously, and sensationally demonizing a fellow Christian and family man for their own purposes? To hear Stu talk, the guy has actually sprouted horns! Get real Stu; you’ve truly lost touch with reality! If McCain and Palin winning this election would directly equal the end of abortion, MAYBE I could understand this kind of slander, but that is NOT the case sir; no more than it was when Bush won twice, or for any other Republican President since Roe v Wade! “Are Christians being deceived by this election?”? You’re darn tooin’ we are… by Right-Wing Republicans like you! Not Obama! Wake up!! Not only is this kind of talk irresponsible, IT IS DANGEROUS AND UN-CHRISTIAN! Stop twisting the truth, because after Obama wins this election tomorrow, you’re going to have to live with yourself for the rest of your life. Focus your boundless energy on preventing unwanted pregnancy in the first place, and with helping unwanted children find a loving home; now that’s something you can actually have an impact on.

  10. Lauren said

    And another thing… don’t judge and criticize our African-American brothers and sisters in Christ because many of them are voting for Obama. Don’t insinuate that they’re being “deceived”, and that that’s why they’re voting in mass for Obama, as if they don’t have the intelligence to know better. Like it or not, for many (not all), 400+ years of racial injustice, murder, voter suppression, and discrimination trumps any argument you can come up with about abortion, so get over it. That doesn’t make them, or anyone else regardless of race, any less Christian; it simply means they’re human.

  11. Lauren thank you I could’nt have said it better myself. It’s almost as if peope like Stu and his guest really doesn’t want an african american as president and hiding behind aboration issue . Last I heard Bush is still trying to pass the free trade agreement to three more countries. Which means more jobs being shipped off.As a christien I thank my Lord and Savior I don’t have to worry like the world as far as a job,food etc b/c God is my source not the president or any job he can create or not create.

  12. Tonya said

    Lauren and Lemanda,

    Thank you!! I am the same Tonya that called in today. I loved the way Stu’s guest totally made my point on abortion. I tried to convey the fact that abortion is about sin in the hearts of those who choose to have them. He said that abortion is a spiritual matter. That was exactly my point. I hate the way Stu always says that Obama is Pro Abortion yet, McCain has “his issues, too”. He glosses over the fact that the federalist position of McCain and Palin supports abortion if the state has legalized it (gay marriage as well). It is amazing how Palin Christianity is embraced but Obama “says he is a Christian”. Who are we to judge whether or not he has made a personal decision for Christ. Why can’t we take his word for it like we do Palin.

    It is sickening to see what Truth Talk live is reduced down to. They like to talk about “being Christian” and doing things according to the word, but don’t want to recognize they have committed an ABOMNINATION themselves according to Proverbs 6:19, Stu and TTL has sown discord, stirred up dissention among the brothers.

    Stu,
    We are not called to this. Jesus never intended for His word to shoved down the throats of your listners. You have done a disservice to word of God, fellow believers in Christ, and those outside of the household of faith who are watching our every move.

  13. Lauren said

    Enjoyed your call during the show Tonya. Unlike most of his guests, Stu actually allowed you to speak… well, sort of. I’ll be so glad when this thing is over tomorrow and we can all move on and begin to heal the wounds and division that have been opened up during this election. TTL & Stu, please do a post-election show that helps us all move forward together as Christians and citizens of this great country.

  14. Stanley said

    Rejoice! Obama becomes President Elect tomorrow. Hail to the chief!

  15. Paul said

    The book of Judges tells of a time when “every man did that which was right in his own eyes”(judges 17:6)and the nation fell into chaos. There was a complete lack of morality. That’s where we are headed. The people trying to lead are’nt trying to do wrong, they are tying to do right.But they’re blind,so what they think is right is actually wrong. When the blind lead the blind, they both fall into the ditch. Make certain you have real wisdom God’s wisdom. Don’t allow the darkness to be your light.

  16. Paul said

    Lauren,Lemanda,and Tonya are without a shadow of a doubt truly are DECEIVED !

  17. Paul said

    As more and more audio and video emerge on Barack Obama’s desire to redistribute wealth, not to mention his views on the housing crisis that has torpedoed the U.S. economy, I keep returning to two columns I’ve read by Frank Marshall Davis, the communist journalist-agitator who mentored Obama in Hawaii. While much attention has been paid to Obama’s relationship with communist-terrorist Bill Ayers — and rightly so — much less attention has been devoted to Davis. That’s a mistake, since Obama was influenced more by Davis than Ayers.

    Davis, who is now deceased, was an African American from the Midwest who had worked as a columnist for the Chicago Star, the communist newspaper of Chicago, a city that had one of the largest CPUSA affiliates, and, in fact, hosted the September 1919 convention that launched the American Communist Party. Though Davis always tried to conceal any communist associations — ironically, Obama supporters have picked up that torch — there’s no question that Davis was a communist, as is immediately evident upon reading his columns, examining his background, or consulting with people in the party (to this day) who confirm he was a communist. The fact that he was at least a lower case “c” “communist” is obvious. It takes a little more digging to find evidence of his membership in CPUSA — but not much. Among the sources that reveal his membership are Davis himself, notably in a letter he wrote to a friend, published posthumously by his biographer, Professor John Edgar Tidwell. “I have recently joined the Communist party,” wrote Davis.

    In 1948, Davis just happened to arrive in Hawaii the same time that leaders of the Communist Party in Hawaii — realizing the limits of national party organs like the Daily Worker and People’s Daily World — established their own weekly newspaper, the Honolulu Record. In 1949, Davis began writing a regular column for the Record, titled, “Frankly Speaking.” This was a key form of agitation work that Davis would do for the party in Hawaii for decades.

    A young Barack Obama knew Davis in the latter 1970s, introduced by his maternal grandfather, Stanley Dunham, who, in many ways, saw eye-to-eye with Davis, and saw in Davis a potential role model and father-figure to his grandson. Dunham and Davis were close friends.

    Though proud of Davis, and very affectionate toward him, Obama sought to obfuscate the identity of Davis in his book, Dreams from My Father, where he strangely referred to him only as “Frank,” conspicuously avoiding his full name. Politically, Obama needed to make Davis anonymous, whereas, personally, he could not avoid acknowledging in his memoirs a man who meant so much to him.

    I’ve connected these dots through my Cold War research, which is grounded in primary sources like the Soviet Comintern Archives on CPUSA, FBI files, recently released CPUSA documents at Tamiment Library, and much more. This has brought me into contact with various communist characters and fellow travelers who have molded or worked with Barack Obama, from Davis to Bill Ayers to Saul Alinsky.

    So, that’s all background on Davis’s identity and how Obama knew him.

    Now, what about those columns I mentioned earlier? Obama’s recent remarks on wealth redistribution made me think of two Davis columns in particular, both for the Honolulu Record:

    The first was Davis’s January 26, 1950 piece, “Free Enterprise or Socialism?” Davis hoped that America and its economy were at a turning point, as if a kind of perfect storm was brewing that could at last allow him and his comrades to realize their dreams of a socialist America. They would need to trash the current free-enterprise system and argue for a change to something else. Of course, they could not fully disclose themselves, their beliefs, and their intentions, although any thinking observer could easily read between the lines. The key was to gain the support of the people who didn’t know any difference.

    Davis began his article by asserting, “Before too long, our nation will have to decide whether we shall have free enterprise or socialism.” He pointed to actions in Congress, where he quoted the then-chairman of the Congressional committee on small business, who, according to Davis, warned that “at the present rate, either the giant corporations will control all our markets, the greatest share of our wealth, and eventually, our government, or the government will be forced to intervene with some form of direct regulation of business.”

    Davis did not like “big business” and the rapacious, “tentacled” rich men who ran it. “For instance,” wrote Davis, “Alfred Sloan of General Motors announced that his gigantic company made a profit last year of $600,000,000, more than any other corporation in history. Over the years, General Motors has swallowed up or knocked out car manufacturer after car manufacturer so that today less than a handful of competitors remain. Free enterprise, eh?”

    “Monopolies” like GM had to be controlled by the government, said Davis. If not, the likes of GM would control the government. “Obviously, a business that can show a profit … of $600,000,000 is in a position to control government,” wrote Davis. “When we remember that the directors and major stockholders of one industry also shape the policies of banks and other huge corporations, it is easy to see that the tentacles of Big Business control just about everything they think they need to insure continued profits.” Davis claimed that, “The control of our wealth and government by the giant corporations … [was] accomplished fact.”

    Davis believed that it was such free enterprise run amok, allegedly un-regulated and un-checked by the federal government, that had caused the Great Depression: “For many years now we have been living under the virtual dictatorship of Big Business which all but drove us to ruin in 1929.”

    Davis was grateful for the grand intervention of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who he believed had saved the day: “By curbing the excesses of the giant corporations that had led to the economic crisis, Roosevelt was able to save the system from complete collapse.”

    Even then, FDR, in Davis’s eyes, had not done enough: “And yet the moneyed men who were bailed out by the New Deal program were our late president’s [FDR's] biggest enemies. They have refused to see that in order to preserve their hides, they had to hand out a few drops of gravy to the common man.”

    Toeing the Stalinist line, as he always did without deviation, Davis then blamed American capitalism for starting World War II. That had been the party line issued by Stalin in his February 1946 Bolshoi Theatre speech. It was a ridiculous, outrageous lie, one that infuriated Democrats and Republicans alike. Nonetheless, the lie became marching orders for Davis and other comrades at party organs around the world. It was their duty to follow that party line, and they happily saluted the red flag. In his column, Davis zeroed in on the true bad guys of World War II: “This bolstering of a sick economy ended at the outset of World War II. Multi-billion-dollar expenditures for the means of killing fellow humans brought added profits and Big Business emerged stronger than ever before in history after V-J Day.”

    And now, in January 1950, things were especially grim under President Harry Truman, who Davis particularly despised, given that the Democratic president was, at the time, publicly condemning, countering, and seeking to contain Stalin. Moscow had told the good comrades to take special aim at the “fascist,” “Hitlerian” Harry Truman, and Davis did precisely that, unceasingly demonizing this icon of the Democratic Party. For the hard left, the current American president had to be bludgeoned beyond recognition; the left did so with great success, as Truman would eventually leave office the most unpopular president in the history of American polling — until a man named George W. Bush.

    There was a conspiracy, suggested Davis, between Truman and even larger monopolies “fattened” by recent mergers. Wrote Davis: “With this added weight to throw around, and a president [Truman] willing to do their bidding after the death of Roosevelt, our giant corporations have had things pretty much their own way. Government policy is fixed in Wall Street and transmitted through the corporation executives who have been appointed by Truman to high federal office. OPA was killed, the Marshall Plan launched and the nation placed on the brink of war economy — so that such firms as General Motors could make $600,000,000 profit while unemployment skyrocketed.”

    Davis, for the record, hated the Marshall Plan as much as he hated Truman and Wall Street. That was because Moscow hated the Marshall Plan, which was intended first and foremost to keep Western Europe from falling to communism.

    What’s worse, said Davis, was that America was busy simultaneously giving a bad name to socialism. Many Americans, especially conservatives, recklessly tossed around the “S word.” “At the same time we have manufactured a national horror of socialism,” wrote Davis. “Meanwhile, the dictatorship of the monopolies is driving us down the road to ruin.” Alas, we could expect “still rising unemployment and a mounting depression.”

    “[T]he time draws nearer,” advised Davis, “when we will have to decide to oust the monopolies and restore a competing system of free enterprise, or let the government own and operate our major industries.”

    I will let you guess which solution Davis preferred.

    Comrade Davis put it more bluntly a few weeks later in his March 2, 1950 column, approvingly quoting Woodrow Wilson: “The masters of the government of the United States are the combined capitalists and manufacturers of the United States.” In that column, Davis was most concerned with the inability of poor Americans to purchase “a decent home.”

    For Davis, the only hope was a huge, emboldened federal government that could save Americans from the capitalists, that could rein in fat-cat corporations, that could slap down Wall Street and its excesses, that could spread the wealth, and that could ensure that the poor could buy a home.

    To bolster his case, Davis went back to the height of the Great Depression, borrowing a 1935 quote (allegedly) from the governor of Pennsylvania: “I warn you that our civilization is in danger if we heed the deceptive cries of special privilege, if we permit our men of great wealth to send us on a wild goose chase after so-called radicals while they continue to plunder the people …. We are constantly told of the evils of Socialism and Communism. The label is applied to every man, woman and child who dares to say a word which does not have the approval of Wall Street.”

    Do not look to the conservatives for help, said Davis. The conservatives were racists: “If I were conservative, that would mean automatically that I think we have gone too far in trying to break the yoke of color bondage and that I am in favor of greater discrimination … not less.”

    Davis warned that some fear-mongers would try to silence the likes of him by branding him a socialist, or a “Red engaged in subversive operations,” or “an agent of Moscow.” “But I, personally, have no intention of being silenced by a label,” wrote a stoic Davis. “I do not intend to be frightened into submission to the status quo.”

    What I’ve shared from these two columns is only a sample of what Frank Marshall Davis, Barack Obama’s self-acknowledged mentor, wrote for decades. This was his thinking. Coincidentally, Davis’s form of agitation would have been at home right now with the current housing and economic crisis in America. He would have been in his element, thriving — on autopilot.

    It is amazing, though not surprising, that today’s Democrats will help cover for Frank Marshall Davis, given that Davis despised their party and constantly worked to undermine its heroes throughout the Cold War. Modern Democrats are oblivious to the nuances of the early Cold War and still don’t appreciate the communist threat of their day, including the fact that the communists viewed them as idiots to be duped; the communists were not their friends. Still, liberals will dutifully protect the likes of Frank Marshall Davis so as to elect Barack Obama, the current Democratic nominee — as Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy roll over in their graves.

    To what degree are Obama’s comments on the economy and taxes influenced by the communist-socialist ideas of Davis? No doubt, the question is fair, given that we only know of the Obama-Davis relationship because of Barack Obama himself, who opened the door in his memoirs. I could never have written this piece if Obama hadn’t acknowledged Davis. Obama was mentored by Davis in his late teens, before heading off to college, where, as Obama wrote in Dreams From My Father, he hung out with the “Marxist professors” and attended “socialist conferences.”

    And yet, not a single one of our nation’s leading journalists has asked any such questions. They are far more interested in Sarah Palin’s wardrobe and Joe the Plumber’s license. The New York Times is busy with bigger issues, like Cindy McCain’s history of murder and mayhem.

    It is truly, truly amazing to behold. For modern journalists, truth is second to their politics.

  18. abc's said

    Paul

    You should write a nouveau conspiracy theory/suspense book that is loosely based on real history.

  19. Lauren said

    Almighty God, source of all grace and truth,
    to whom we must account for all our decisions
    and for all our powers and privileges,
    Guide us in the election of our officials and representatives.
    Give us grace to see ourselves, as individuals and as a people,
    not as we want to see ourselves, but as you see us:
    as we are and as you are calling us to be,
    That we might see the candidates,
    not as they want us to see them, but as you see them:
    as they are and as you would call them to be.
    Help us to discern your will for our choices,
    that we may act and vote, not out of fear, nor out of anger,
    nor out of any form of thoughtless bias or prejudice,
    but out of your truth and love. Amen.

  20. Freddie said

    Stu,

    I cant believe how rude you were to Tonya and rudely putting her on hold while she was trying to convey something. I wake up listening to this show on a daily basis but I can no longer do that. I am soo tired of HYPOCRITES. I ran to the radio to shut off this show because it made me physically want to PUKE!

    Where has the talk of Abortion been prior to this election season? Where is the talk on OTHER sins that are just as dispecable in the sight of Almighty God? Where is your show in which you’ve encouraged people to PRAY for Obama since you think he’s soo anti-God? When is your show going to discuss how McCain LEFT his first wife AND children and married the woman he’s married to now a MONTH later. Where is THAT talk? Abortion doesn’t supercede other sins, it’s JUST AS equal as other sins and I’m tired of you having these guests on calling Obama a “Baby killer” and all this nonesense when these guests 99.99% chance they have sin in their own lives.

    Former Listner,

    Freddie

  21. A said

    WOW !!!

    I doubt that this is the desired result of this radio show. It is certainly not what our Lord wants. I suggest that major changes occur starting with our friend Stu. Join me in prayer for him. He’s just a man like the rest of us (no disrespect ladies).

    I am pleased that I chose not to listen to much of the show yesterday. What I heard really frustrated me. I used to really promote the show to friends because the topics varied daily and were really informative. The show has now become the same show everyday from a different angle (disdain for Obama). I hope that the show returns to its former glory. The intention of this blog was probably never for it to be used as an instrument of division and hatred. It is largely that today. If I was not already a Christ follower, this blog would make me even less likely to become one.

    Please re-read Lauren’s post (#19) and re-focus our energy onto the One who was, Is, and Is to come. We must make our priority loving God and demonstrating our love to those around us. I did not make this up. Check out Matthew 22:37-40:

    (NLT) – You must love the Lord your God with all your heart. . . . This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the other commandments and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.

  22. Maz said

    Lauren: #19. Very powerful prayer. I think this is the first offered on here. May everyone be in that same mind, heart and spirit when they go and vote.

  23. Maz said

    A: Good post. Maybe they should ask Lauren to host the show. She makes a lot of sense.

    I can’t say anything about Stu because I havn’t yet listened to a show being over the other side of the Atlantic and having time to go on-line to listen. But I will find time so I can add my own comment as to his ability to host the show in a Christian and balanced way.

  24. Bookert said

    TTL listeners – if Obama wins the work begins. It’s going to be tough to rebuild our beloved country after eight grim years of bushness. The dark forces set in motion by this republican nightmare won’t simply dissolve when Obama is sworn in. It will take years for Obama’s corrective measures to take hold, possibly a term. Now I know that Americans tend to want what they want and want it now, so when nothing changes right away the sullen right wingers will ask, Where is Obama’s “change?” Listeners, true change will take time. The out-of-control spending of the bush white house reduced America’s economic infrastructure to its knees, and it will take time to rebuild. But rebuild we can. America is filled with bright, imaginative, forward-thinking people – spiritual and secular descendents of the folks who made this country great – and they have much to offer. But patience will also be needed. The landscape will remain very dark for at least another year. My fervent hope is that we don’t succumb to the base cynicism of the religious right, rather that we throw out support behind our new president, President Obama, for a new and better day.

  25. Stanley said

    Amen Bookert!

  26. Maz – You can go to wtru.com and listen to podcasts of the show.

    Thanks!

    Moderator

  27. Maz said

    Truthtalklive: Thanks. I will.

  28. Tripp said

    I….and MANY others happen to agree with Mr. Stu. If half of the people who do agree with him were as vocal and defensive…we’d be alot better off.

    You can love him or hate him…..but he’s still gonna be on the air. I know his show is being added on radio stations all over the nation, so he must be doing something right.

    More power to you, Stu! We support you!!!

    Tripp and the Stu-Supporters!!!

  29. Paul said

    Tripp-unless the fairness doctrine gets passed , then TTL might be shut down.

  30. Lauren said

    I think I speak for most who have expressed their recent displeasure with TTL and Stu by saying it’s not necessarily the subject matter, but rather the way in which it’s being approached. I’m quite sure their intentions are good and honorable, but they’ve allowed themselves to get blinded by too much negative emotion. If they truly desire to follow Christ’s teachings, then they’d be better off to inspire unity instead of division, love instead of hate, understanding instead of intollerance. If I didn’t know better, I’d think they were trying to inspire the next round of abortion clinic bombers. I would like to think that’s not the case, but the wreckless manner in which this issue has been approached, and the premeditated character assasination towards Obama, could potentially lead to that and worse; don’t be so naive to think it couldn’t. This attitude of TTL – including the Moderator of this site – that they can do whatever they want to, and that it doesn’t have a negative impact beyond what they intended, really needs to be reevaluated. We as Christians should set the example after this election to unify our country behind whoever wins, and TTL should take the high-road and lead the way.

  31. anonymous said

    Anybody watching the Black Panthers trying to disrupt and intimidate voters in Philadelphia?

    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/04/broken-machines-shortages-plague-voters-country/

    This is the type of behavior we’ll get if Obama is elected.

  32. Tripp said

    Paul,

    I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you. If that gets passed then it will prove that Obama’s socialist regime is underway. He may get elected, but don’t count on that getting passed.

  33. Maz said

    Stu: Just listened to one of your programmes, and I think you do need to calm down a little and speak more clearly and slowly. You raise your voice far too much and it can become annoying at times. That’s my opinion. I’m sure you’re a great guy, but on air you tend to shout rather than talk.

  34. Mike S said

    Maz
    Stu is a great guy. When you meet him face to face he is as gentle and caring of a guy that you will ever meet. He’s actually a very good listener too. High strung yes, but a great guy!!

  35. Moderator said

    Lauren,

    Sorry you feel that way about TTL, Stu and the Moderator. However, many people disagree with you and support the kind of passion Stu exhibits.

    We hope you will continue to listen and post online, but we can’t make you.

    Moderator (not Stu)

  36. Tripp said

    Lauren just doesn’t get it. Let it go.

  37. Tripp said

    Maz – You should meet Stu in person. Then you would understand the passion behind the man and the raising of his voice would make more sense to you. When do Christians draw the line and decide to stand up and fight for what’s right? Stu obviously believes that now is the time….and so do I.

  38. Paul said

    Hey Lauren unity without the truth isn’t real unity, but maybe if people would be a little more civil instead of emotional things would go better.

  39. Maz said

    Tripp: I too am passionate about a lot of things, but we need to temper our tone of voice. Maybe it’s because I know how to make a strong point without raising my voice to a crescendo. (Tho it may sound like I do on here sometimes). And Stu probably is a nice guy. I hope he continues to stand up for what’s right.

  40. Bob said

    This is too much. You people totally have it wrong on Stu. He is a totally amazing person and totally ON FIRE for Christ. He is a consumate champion of organizations here in the Triad like Salem Pregnancy Center, Winston-Salem Rescue Mission, etc. etc. He is a humanitarian and a complete gentleman. Who doesn’t get riled up about this election? We all should!!!

    So what if he gets riled up and overly vocal about issues like this? He doesn’t mean any ill-will and certainly doesn’t mean to promote negativity. He stands up for what he believes in and I commend him for it.

    It’s time to fight for what’s right and stop dancing around all this political correctness.

  41. Paul said

    Bob-I totally agree , but some caller’s don’t listen when Stu or the guest was speaking in which caused the problem , thats why I mentioned a more civil tone , I do think Stu is right.

  42. Maz said

    Bob: That’s fine. I was just giving my opinion of how he spoke on the programme, he is obviously a great guy who is not afraid to stand up for what he believes. God Bless him.

  43. F. L. A. said

    I liked your prayer within post#19,Lauren.
    Seemed very appropriate.

  44. Hey folks,

    As a talk show host myself (sometimes filling in for Stu as well), can I ask a few questions?

    First, if race is the last thing on my mind (or, presumably, Stu’s mind), why is the race card always being played against me (or Stu). In other words, I love Alan Keyes’ position on abortion and abhor Obama’s position on abortion. Why is that made into a race issue? I personally put very little stock in the political system and believe there’s a lot of corruption in both parties, but it baffles me when all criticism of Obama’s policies becomes a race issue. Isn’t that unfairly being projected on us? And if, in fact, Stu raised as many objections to Gore or Kerry as he is to Obama, would that prove that race is not the issue?

    Second, what if some beleivers are convicted by the Word of God that protection of the innocent children in the womb is the biggest issue facing our nation, just as at one time, eradicating the horrors of slavery was the biggest issue? If some believers hear the cry of the unborn being slaugthered and are convinced that the shedding of innocent blood is the prophetic focus of our day, should they be silent when there is the potential of electing the most radically pro-abortion president in our history?

    I have white friends who are pro-Obama and black friends who are pro-McCain, and I would personally love to see a black president of our country. I would rejoice to see that day! But if it is Obama, I will have grave concerns because of some of his stands (in terms of abortion, same-sex marriage, and even Israel, most particularly).

    I have treated my callers with respect on the air and even had one show where I asked pro-Obama supporters to call in and tell me why they felt Christians should vote for him, and we had respectful discussions and disagreements. But I ask again, How is it being racist to take issue with his moral stands and to expose those things publicly?

    Thanks for your feedback!

    To listen to my relevant shows on the subject, go to: http://lineoffireradio.wordpress.com/posts/ and listen to the shows from Oct. 30, Oct. 23, and then http://lineoffireradio.wordpress.com/posts/page/2/ listen to thh show from Oct. 20 You might want to listen to that one first). Feel free also to chime in on my blog there, as well as to call in to my show (7-8 EST; live here on wtru.com if you don’t get a local broadcast).

    Blesings and grace to each of you!

    Dr. Brown

  45. Sorry for the typos. I trust you can decipher. :)

  46. paul,
    How can you say I’m decieved I voted for morality four years ago. As my “christien duty” and what did it get me a president that is trigger happy! Look this mess that we are in cannot be fixed in four years if it can be fixed. So why is it so sinful for me to vote for man that his people has been oppressed, violated , hanged in tree’s and humility why can’t we just make a vote for history. After all it was there physcial labor that built this country. will I lose my salvation for voting for Obama? with McCain we will still have leagal aboration , gay marriage and no prayer in school . Because the days are evil. By the way what is McCain faith , what does he believe in. Why haven’t Stu mentioned his hate rallies. I could go on but I will stop and pray always for Stu and the next President of these united states. weather it’s McCain or Obama.

  47. anonymous said

    Lemanda – “christien” is spelled “Christian”

    ….and did you watch any news reports about the hanging of Governor Palin in effigy?…or did they even report that on CNN?

    With Obama your Christian faith will NEVER enjoy prayer in schools and gay marriage WILL be legalized nationwide AND we will never overturn Roe v. Wade.

    Enjoy the next 4 years.

  48. Blackie said

    I posted this in today’s thread as well.

    “We the people of the United States’. These are the first 7 words of the Constitution of the United States of America. As I stood in the reception area of the Pentagon in Washington D.C. early this year, a large recreation of that Constitution was posted on the wall. It’s the first thing you see as you enter the building. “We the People of the United States”, I stared at it and said: “I’d die for that idea”!

    I’ve written in the past, I love my country, but I’m scared to death of its government. That idea for me has taken a new twist in this coming election.

    I’d first like to point out that I am not a John McCain supporter. I have been critical of the U. S. Government for years, and I, like most of my fellow Americans am angry and frustrated with the lying, manipulation and partisanship of the elected officials, both local and national, Democrat and Republican, of this country.

    The Founding Fathers of this Country wrote this Constitution, with all it’s Amendments, as THE Cornerstone that this country would be governed by. We Americans now find ourselves on the eve of, without a doubt, THE most important election of our lifetime. In a time of World uncertainty, the volatility of the global financial Markets, the Middle East at war, Russia invading Georgia, Iran and North Korea attempting to develop nuclear weapons and with that Iran threatening to “Wipe Israel Off the Map”, the entire world is at a dangerous point in history.

    I grew up and lived with the ideals and philosophy of the “Counter Culture” Generation. “Peace and Love”, ” Flower Power”, “Stop the War”, Never Trust anybody Over 30″. “Stop the War” was absolutely correct! Vietnam was a disaster and more than 50,000 U. S. Soldiers died for that mistake.,p> But the rest was a load of naïve, idealist, “we can change the world”, CRAP!

    Not that some of those sentiments weren’t a good idea. It’s just that this generation of self-serving, selfish, spoiled brats has now come of age. They are the ones that now have perpetuated the greed and the lies of the Wall Street Bailout and a laundry list of other political atrocities too numerous to mention. The weakness of true conviction to teach their children about the values and history of this Nation. Their children know nothing of Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Washington, Lincoln or the understanding that this Great Nation was built on the Dreams, the Tears, the back breaking Labor, the unending sacrifice and the Blood spilled by the generations before them that sacrificed their all, including the men and women that gave their lives, and the ones that will give their lives in defense of this “Great Experiment”, this Great American Dream. If you don’t think so, go up to most any of their kids on the street and ask them about the Founding Fathers. More than likely they’ll think its some new rap group. It’s not just a glimpse into poor enlightenment. It’s an indictment on their parents.

    The generation that was going to change the world certainly did. Their gluttony for botox, living on credit cards, busy being fabulous and its all about me, me, me cause I’m better than you. “All You Need is Love”…. I’m sorry pal, you missed the boat, all you really need is some guts and character. I’m disgusted and ashamed to be part of it. Instead, that generation with their ‘Woodstock / Marxist” Scream – Dream are the ones which now control the majority of the mainstream media in this country. That includes almost all Television and almost all Newspapers. They are the ones that now bring the extreme liberal, radical 60’s utopian vision of their world to the American people. The extreme liberal bias of the mainstream American Media which are now controlled by these “Yuppies” have conspired to deceive, manipulate, suppress the truth, promote their candidate at all costs and bury any story that does not put a halo around the head of that candidate. It is with this that the American People are brought Barak Obama.

    This man is a product of that Extreme Leftist – Marxist movement that has been building in this country for over 40 years. He is a product of the Harvard far left. He is the face and mouthpiece of a movement that is Hell Bent on breaking up the U. S. Constitution and reassembling it to conform to their vision. He is a lawyer, the Democratic Johnny Cochran, in which every time he speaks gives a closing argument. He is the embodiment of the New Democratic Machine.

    When I was a kid everyone I knew were Democrats, but these are not your fathers Democrats anymore. They are part of some liberal elite that looks down on the ideals that made this Country great. This Leftist Machine has hidden the truth from the American People (and the World) and continues to deceive at any cost.

    Right now, as I write, the L. A. Times Newspaper has a videotape, which it refuses to release to the American Public, which shows Obama at a farewell dinner celebration for the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) Spokesman Rashid Khalidi. He was also a spokesman for Yassir Arafat. In this tape are the recorded verbal attacks on Israel and the Israeli People and reference to Israel as a terrorist state.

    Reportedly, the Domestic terrorist Bill Ayres, who as part of the “Weather Underground” terrorist organization bombed several U. S. targets including the Pentagon and the home of a U. S. Judge and killing 2 policemen in the process, was also at this dinner. Obama has been close friends with Khalidi and Ayers for many years. The oath of President requires that the President will “protect the United States against all enemies, both Foreign AND Domestic”. Guess he didn’t read that part!

    Now, what should be of utmost concern to the American People are the repeated denials by Obama, that he has no ties to any of these people. If he has nothing to hide why not be truthful with the American Public and request the L. A. Times to release this videotape for us all to see. If it turns out to be nothing then at least the truth will be served. From Obama’s 20 year association with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright who has repeatedly said: “It’s not God Bless America, No, No, No, It’s God Damn America!

    Obama sat in Wrights church and listened to this Treason for 20 years. Wright also performed Obama’s marriage and Baptized both of his children. Obama was an organizer for Acorn, the group now accused of massive voter registration fraud. Some working for Acorn have already been jailed for this. Obama was also Acorns lawyer for a time. Obama recently donated over $800,000 to Acorn. He accuses Americans for “clinging to their guns and religion”. Never in the history of the United States has any Presidential candidate had a shroud of controversy surround them as has Obama. If someone would have told me 2 years ago that anybody with these associations could get nominated for their party, or even dog catcher, much less President of the United States, I would have said your insane.

    My reasons for starting this letter with the first line of the Constitution is to reference a radio interview Obama did in which he says the U. S. Supreme Court did not go far enough in attempting to provide reparations to African- Americans and that the Earl Warren edition of the Supreme Court was not liberal enough. That Court was probably the most liberal in U.S. history.

    It is not the job of the Supreme Court to be liberal or conservative. It is to interpret the Constitution… period. It is not to legislate from the bench based on the “general consensus of the people” as stated in a recent Supreme Court ruling, but rather to make its rulings based on the precise wording of the Constitution. If at some point “the people” wish to have any new amendment to the Constitution based on their modern day ideals, then all 50 states must ratify it….period. This is the Obama quote from that interview with radio station WBEZ.FM in Chicago. This is not taken out of context. It is the entire quote:

    “The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf, and that hasn’t shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused I think there was a tendancy to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put t ogether the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that”.

    These are things he would NEVER say in front of a national audience. He only says and does these things when he thinks his base group is listening. In this interview he is making it clear that if elected, he would nominate Supreme Court Justices that will put forth his agenda’s, “redistribution of wealth”, his idea of “economic justice” and “redistributive change” which are other words for reparations for slavery and a Marxist redistribution of wealth which is no more than welfare.

    Thomas Jefferson wrote in The Declaration of Independence about ‘Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness. This PURSUIT is not a guarantee of wealth or any form of happiness, but the chance to raise one-self up. This government never has, nor ever will, nor ever should provide for anything more than this.

    It is ironic that Obama’s supporters so often refer to him as a new John F. Kennedy.

    Senator Obama should be reminded that it was JFK in his inaugural address that said “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for you country”. That is the TRUE American Spirit!

    On the issue of taxes, in effort to “spread the wealth around” he first defined the rich as making $300,000 then he said it was $250,000 then he said $200,000, then a few days ago Joe Biden said it would be $150,000. So, what’s the real number? This is more about him not being truthful with the public.

    Will all of his tax schemes of taxing anyone who makes over $250,000 (or whatever it is) a year destroy our economy, yeah, just like Jimmy Carter did in the 70’s and Herbert Hoover before him. It’s not the individual that makes that much money that’s the issue. If this were only about individuals then that could be argued. But what he doesn’t tell you is what it does to businesses. Most any business that creates that much revenue MUST employ a number of people. If the business is taxed upwards of 30% or more then those jobs are gone…its that simple.

    There have been a lot of charges about racism in this election from the Obama side. I personally have never been a racist. Any of you that know me, know I’ve said many times that after my Father, Muhammad Ali has been the biggest influence in my life. But there definitely is racism in this election. 96 to 97% of African-Americans polled in this election say they will vote for Obama. Never in the history of this country has ANY candidate ever had such overwhelming numbers from any group. White, Black, Hispanic, Asian or other. The traveling Political, Racist, Circus called Acorn, which Obama worked with for years, is creating and sponsoring voter fraud across the country by registering illegal immigrants, the Dallas Cowboys and Mickey Mouse. This is no joke. Acorn has actually done this and much, much more. Their belief is win …. at any cost…. the Constitution be Dammed!

    If that’s not prejudice, I don’t know what is.

    The books Obama has written about himself are very clear as to his true ambitions concerning his Leftist, Marxist views but the average person will not take the time to read them, In the 1920’s while in prison, a young Adolf Hitler wrote “Mein Kampf” (My Struggle) which outlined his entire plan for World Domination and the extermination of the Jewish race. No one would read it, and then when they did it was too late…. any book that was not approved by the Nazi Party was burned. The “Communist Manifesto” by Karl Marx at one time, was required reading in our schools. This book is Obama’s “How To” guide with his ideal of the “Redistribution of Wealth”. If you don’t think so, go back and look at the above radio interview. Somewhere Karl Marx with his Godless, Utopian vision is laughing in delight.

    If it is true that “What is Past, is Prologue” then we need look no further than Obama’s books. His blueprint is there in black and white. Literally and figuratively.

    I will vote for McCain, not because I believe in all he stands for, but as a mandate against Obama, to keep him from becoming President. Yes, I will cling to my guns and my religion, and continue to believe in the Constitution, the Cornerstone of our society and trust that this is STILL a “Government of the People, By the People, For the People”.

    The point of all this is, that no matter whatever any of us encounter in life, look for the truth. The truth can and will stand up to anything. If that truth cannot stand up to scrutiny then you must see it and call it for what it truly is. If any would be Messiah comes along and he looks like it, acts like it and smells like it then you call him what he truly is… a Marxist, in Socialist clothing!

    I challenge all Americans to go back and READ the Constitution of the United States, READ the Declaration of Independence.

    Decide for Yourself

    God Help Us. … God Bless America

    I encourage anyone who understands this letter and is moved to action, to send this letter in an email to everyone you know, to all who will listen!

  49. Tonya said

    To Anonymous,
    You said: “….and did you watch any news reports about the hanging of Governor Palin in effigy?…or did they even report that on CNN?

    With Obama your Christian faith will NEVER enjoy prayer in schools and gay marriage WILL be legalized nationwide AND we will never overturn Roe v. Wade.”

    Actually CNN did report on the effigy!!!

    Secondly, gay marriage was legalize under Bush!!! Imagine that!!

  50. Maz said

    Congratulations America! You have your new President! May the Lord bless you all and you do not regret what has happened today. Only God knows.

  51. Dorothy-Texas said

    This election has been tough for black Christian conservatives.
    We live in an environment of job cuts, national debt, a war, global warming, atheists, gay marriage, abortion, rebellious children, etc. BUT suppose you add to this the fact that ALL your life you have been judged on the basis of your color. Suppose you have a long litany of slights and hurts, on the job, at church, everywhere!! If you are a woman, add to this situation that the idea of beauty is far from anything you can achieve with dark skin and nappy hair. Suppose you know that you could work TWICE as hard and be TWICE as smart but you would never get judged based on your performance. AND if you were promoted, many will say it is only because you are Black. Suppose you have children and they are boys and the statistics are that your 16 year old son would be more than likely to be stopped by police simply because of his color. And even if he were doing normal things as a teenager, you still worried that he would act as a normal teenager and say the wrong thing to the wrong policeman. Suppose even though you love the Lord and want to serve Him, that even in tongue talking churches you are still judged as being that Black woman or a Black man, not as a woman or man with a name and as a child of God. How much stress would you have? How difficult would it be to truly be forgiving KNOWING that your actions would not increase your income, change how society viewed you, help your children, etc. So, you paint a smile on your face but you have some hardness of heart because of these hurts.

    It is difficult being Black in America and it is hard to lay all of this aside and just look at the issues. After all, when you look at the issues you have all of the garbage of the last 8 years and the negative news reports to erase from your memory. President Bush has been painted as a demon. The office of the Presidency has been disrespected. He has had poor advisors who have not urged him to be more acceptable even to conservative Black Christians. It was as if this group did not exist. THEN…..we are presented the opportunity to vote for a charismatic Black man. He looks good, talks of lifting up the plight of African Americans and all people. He says that he can cause change to come. What do you do as a Christian?

    Many Blacks, including conservative Christians, feel that it is hard to trust God and vote for another Republican because God has not come through in creating a better environment using a professed Christian in Pres. Bush. He did not come through in recognizing the value of Black lives that were lost in Hurricane Katrina. He did not come through in stopping much of the increased discrimination that has occurred over the last 8 years even as we were led by a Christian. Many Blacks felt and feel marginalized. What do you do when you feel that God has not come through? You take matters in your own hands. You seize the opportunity to vote history because the past has not helped you to the degree that you had hoped.

    Today’s environment is ripe for many to develop a lack of hope and trust in God. It is difficult to lay aside so many deep seated emotions and to look at the issues objectively. It is hard to even trust your spiritual radar if you feel that that radar was wrong in voting for Pres. Bush. The only way to vote would be to pray in the Holy Spirit and to be willing to listen with your spirit and not your soul. But that may require giving up certain rights to vote for a Black man and many don’t want to take that chance. It is the fact that many people want to control their destiny. They do not feel that hard work will pay off so they give up and use their minds to MAKE things happen. In doing so they are rejecting the only source that can help. BUT if you ask, of course, NO one would admit that they voted based on color and the past. Explanations and reasons will be provided which really won’t make sense because it is not logical, it is a heart issue and comes from deeply held beliefs and hurts.

    I worked the election on yesterday in a mostly Republican precinct. But when I came home I just felt in my spirit that something was “different”. So, when my daughter called to tell me that Senator McCain had conceded, I was hurt but not surprised. In MY lifetime I have experienced sitting at the back of the bus and separate water fountains. I have felt the sting of prejudice. But during an election in which the first black President was elected, I felt compelled by God to vote for a white Republican. I have mixed feelings of being on the outside of a big party that I can’t enjoy. Now I will FERVENTLY pray for God’s mercy and grace on America.

    May we use this as an opportunity to make Christianity attractive by our attitudes, our love, and sincere prayer for understanding as we move into a place we’ve never been before.

    Take care and God bless.

  52. Dorothy-Texas said

    The abortion issue was not a red herring in this election. It was JUST an attempt to garner the Christian vote. It really was a matter of being in a position to overturn Roe v Wade. If you look at the progress over the last 8 years, LARGE strides were made. Just look at the prochoice web site

    http://www.prochoiceamerica.org

    Now we must PRAY the changes in and not lose heart. For our apathy, may God help us.

    “ROE IS IN PERIL
    As the pro‐choice community strives to fulfill the promise of Roe for all women by working to secure better access to effective methods of contraception, comprehensive sex education, and quality health and child care, we remain locked in a struggle against efforts to eliminate the right to choose altogether.

    In June 2000, the Supreme Court issued its most significant ruling on the right to choose since Casey. Emphatically maintaining the centrality of women’s health and striking down Nebraska’s ban on abortion care as early as the 12th week in pregnancy, the Court’s ruling in Stenberg v. Carhart was won by the slimmest of margins, 5‐4, with Justice O’Connor casting the deciding vote.28 With the retirement of Justice O’Connor and the passing of Chief Justice Rehnquist in 2006 President Bush appointed Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito, shifting the Court’s balance further to the right. Roberts and Alito both have anti‐choice records, giving pro‐choice Americans reason to worry that these new additions to the Court may vote to further limit or even overturn Roe.

    The 2007 outcome of the Federal Abortion Ban cases of Gonzales v. Planned Parenthood Federation of America and Gonzales v. Carhart,29 illustrates the anti‐choice, anti‐woman direction in which the Roberts Court is moving. In upholding a nationwide ban on a safe second‐trimester abortion method with no exception to protect the health of the pregnant woman, the current Court has paved the way for further setbacks to reproductive freedom and personal privacy. Future cases will be important forums for defending the core precepts of Roe.

    At the state level, anti‐choice legislators are steadily passing laws that could lay the groundwork for a Supreme Court case to challenge and possibly reverse Roe v. Wade. Between 1995 and 2007, states enacted 512 anti‐choice legislative measures—including 45 in 2006. If Roe is overturned, many states are poised to ban abortion outright; in 2007 alone, legislators in 13 states considered 26 near‐total bans on abortion care, and 15 states have not repealed their existing bans, some of which could become enforceable if Roe falls. 30

    As Roe enters its fourth decade, its protections remain a bulwark of freedom for American women, though our rights have been eroded and are in grave peril. The full vision of reproductive freedom remains elusive for too many women. NARAL Pro‐Choice America recommits to protecting Roe, repealing restrictions on it, and working to secure the full spectrum of reproductive rights for all women.
    December 1, 2007

    NARAL PRO‐CHOICE AMERICA 3 http://www.ProChoiceAmerica.org

    McCain/Palin positions
    • Gov. Palin shares John McCain’s commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton in a statement issued before McCain had stepped out on the stage in Dayton, Ohio, with Palin.
    • “She shares John McCain’s commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade,” agreed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi two hours later.
    • “Gov. Palin and John McCain are a good match because they both want to overturn Roe v. Wade,” chimed in Ellen Malcolm, a Hillary Clinton adviser and president of the Democratic group Emily’s List, which backs women abortion rights candidates.
    • “The last thing women need is a president — and vice president — who are prepared to turn back the clock on women’s rights and repeal the protections of Roe v. Wade,” said Cecile Richards, the president of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, which backs mostly Democratic candidates.

  53. Dorothy-Texas said

    I meant NOT>>NOT just a red herring.

  54. Paul said

    Dorothy-Texas: Just being a Christ follower has made me fell that way. But in respect to being treated like a lesser than acceptable human being , I have been there even being white living in a mormon area jobs wouldn’t be given based on experiense or know how and even when I tried something new and moved to Hawaii I wasn’t allowed to even go to certain places because I wasn’t a naitive . So keep your head up , I will be praying especially for you today , Just know I love you and you are someone truly remarkable. God Bless

  55. Paul said

    lauren post#30 If they truly desire to follow Christ’s teachings, then they’d be better off to inspire unity instead of division, love instead of hate, understanding instead of intollerance.

    It is better to be divided by truth than to be united in error.
    Christian unity is a wonderful thing. And we must do everything we can to keep the unity of the church and to be one with all of our brothers and sisters in Christ. The Bible tells us in Ephesians 4:3 that we are to be “endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.” And the psalmist wrote, “Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!” (Psalm 133:1).
    But our unity must only be that which the Spirit can say amen to, because the Bible says in Amos 3:3, “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?” Unity in the Holy Spirit-yes. Unification and uniformity that sacrifices truth-no.
    Martin Luther led the Protestant Reformation, a movement that broke with the ungodly uniformity of his day. Here’s what the mighty reformer said:

    I do not want to know anything of peace and concord when the Word of God is thereby lost and the Word and eternal life and everything is forfeited. It is not right for me here to draw back and give way out of love toward you or toward any other person. But before the Word everyone must give way, whether he be a friend or an enemy. For the Word has not been given to us for the sake of external or worldly concord or peace, but for the sake of eternal life. Don’t talk to me, therefore, of love and friendship if the Word and faith are to be compromised.

    We remember Martin Luther today because he paid a price and took a stand. What you and I call the Protestant Reformation was actually a great revival meeting. Luther also said, “The Bible does not state that love brings us everlasting life, God’s grace, and all of the heavenly treasures, but the Word brings them to us.”

  56. Paul said

    Dorothy-Texas: The lord laid this scripture on my heart for you.

    Arise, shine; for your light has come!
    And the glory of the Lord is risen upon you.
    For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth,
    And deep darkness the people; But the Lord will arise
    over you, And his glory will be seen upon you.

    Let us give praise to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. with all my love to a very special lady in Texas.

  57. Paul said

    sorry scrtipure for previous post Isaiah 60:1-2

  58. Paul said

    Lemanda post#46 – I believe when a person has a hard heart and or some form of bitterness that it reduces them to blindness.
    We all have examine ourselves daily, making sure that sin doesn’t ensnare us, The relationship we must maintain the best is the one with Christ.

  59. Paul

    I’m still a conservative christian. I didn’t mean to sound like I put my trust in man because I dont. We have had at least 30+ years to fight for the unborn and WE didn’t (may God forgive us). No I don’t believe in everything Obama believe’s in including aboration. Yet I still can’t help but to feel elated in seeing the first black president of these United States. The Lord will return a whole lot sooner then we think, these are exciting times for the believer and follower of Jesus Christ our Lord! Who knows the Lord just may be using Obama to usher the end time phophecy to pass.
    global currency, the one world goverment, even global peace that must come (even if it is for a short while) with his Muslim name his great speaking ability and charm this really just maybe the tool the Lord will use.
    Let me clear something up I stated earlier. I cant help but to feel elated that we had a african american president before the Lords’ return. Come on cant you just agree that the Blacks deserve a son from there weary and oppressed pass to be a president. Without trying to make them feel gulity for wanting it!! ……anonymous please feel free to correct any and all of my spelling errors since you’re so high and holier then me

  60. Tripp said

    How about this fella?

  61. ………….. one more thing all of this of course depends on how he REALLY feels about Isreal.will he protect,stand or defend her.
    I will curse them that curse you and bless them that bless you, God said of Isreal and he still means that even to this day. Let’s be watching as well as praying for our Redeemer drawth nigh..

  62. Maz said

    Wouldn’t it be something if Martin Luther King could be here to see this today.

  63. Ed said

    Martin Luther King forsaw this day.

  64. Maz said

    Ed: Yes.

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